Alternate Choices in the BC Election
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:31 am
Hate James, yet can't stand Campbell? A little known fact in the coming BC election is it's actually possible to vote for other choices.
Here's my personal fave...
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'We ♥ CO2': Reform Party of BC
By Garrett Zehr
The debate over the carbon tax is proving that politics really does make for strange bedfellows.
Joining the B.C. New Democratic Party in vowing to axe the tax is the Reform Party of B.C., who have adopted the slogan, “We ♥ CO2.”
“We will repudiate the tax -- it’s a scam,” said Reform leader David Hawkins.
The party would also set out to prove that the accepted carbon-driven model for explaining climate change is “scientific fraud.”
Also lining up behind the NDP in railing against the carbon tax are the B.C. Conservatives, who have made the issue one of the six main planks of their platform.
Not only would they give the taxation of carbon the boot, the party also proposes getting rid of B.C.'s property transfer tax and lowering personal and corporate taxes.
Those supporting the carbon tax are also parties that often don’t see eye to eye.
The tax, brought in by the B.C. Liberal Party, has received much support from the Green Party of B.C.
“I do want to commend the B.C. Liberals for introducing the carbon tax and tax shifting,” said party leader Jane Sterk last fall.
The Greens want a carbon tax in combination with a cap and trade climate policy and also propose higher taxes on polluting industries.
By Garrett Zehr
The debate over the carbon tax is proving that politics really does make for strange bedfellows.
Joining the B.C. New Democratic Party in vowing to axe the tax is the Reform Party of B.C., who have adopted the slogan, “We ♥ CO2.”
“We will repudiate the tax -- it’s a scam,” said Reform leader David Hawkins.
The party would also set out to prove that the accepted carbon-driven model for explaining climate change is “scientific fraud.”
Also lining up behind the NDP in railing against the carbon tax are the B.C. Conservatives, who have made the issue one of the six main planks of their platform.
Not only would they give the taxation of carbon the boot, the party also proposes getting rid of B.C.'s property transfer tax and lowering personal and corporate taxes.
Those supporting the carbon tax are also parties that often don’t see eye to eye.
The tax, brought in by the B.C. Liberal Party, has received much support from the Green Party of B.C.
“I do want to commend the B.C. Liberals for introducing the carbon tax and tax shifting,” said party leader Jane Sterk last fall.
The Greens want a carbon tax in combination with a cap and trade climate policy and also propose higher taxes on polluting industries.
sandorski @ Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:11 pm
Ya, you could, but it won't make any difference.
QBall @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:14 pm
“We ♥ CO2.”
I should make up little signs with that and put them on all the trees, plants, shrubs and flowers.
Zipperfish @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:27 pm
If they can prove a fraud they should be doing it in a court of law.
QBall @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:37 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
If they can prove a fraud they should be doing it in a court of law.
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Prove who is comitting fraud?
Zipperfish @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:41 pm
from the article:
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The [reform] party would also set out to prove that the accepted carbon-driven model for explaining climate change is “scientific fraud.”
QBall @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:39 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
from the article:
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The [reform] party would also set out to prove that the accepted carbon-driven model for explaining climate change is “scientific fraud.”
Ah okay. I seriously doubt any judge would want to hear that case. The judge would probably die from old age before all of the data from both sides was presented.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:19 pm
They did manage to do something like what Zip suggests in England when they sued the school board for trying to preach the Al Gore movie. It was shown in court the movie contained a bunch of scientific errors.
According to the guy who organized the financing though, it's expensive. That's the big problem at present. Then you have to choose who exactly to sue, and for what. They talk about it from time to time though. There's a dream of suing Hansen from GISS you hear talked about every now and again.
Zipperfish @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:27 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
They did manage to do something like what Zip suggests in England when they sued the school board for trying to preach the Al Gore movie. It was shown in court the movie contained a bunch of scientific errors.
According to the guy who organized the financing though, it's expensive. That's the big problem at present. Then you have to choose who exactly to sue, and for what. They talk about it from time to time though. There's a dream of suing Hansen from GISS you hear talked about every now and again.
According to the guy who organized the financing though, it's expensive. That's the big problem at present. Then you have to choose who exactly to sue, and for what. They talk about it from time to time though. There's a dream of suing Hansen from GISS you hear talked about every now and again.
England was a little different. That case was a suit trying to stop the film being shown in schools there. This is fraud, which would be a cirminal case, not a civil trial. Therefore, you wouldn't be "suing" anyone, you would be levleiing an indictable offence against him. The onus in a cimrinal case would be a lot higher than a civil suit, particualrly for a mens rea offence such as this.
Mayfly @ Wed May 13, 2009 1:24 am
COMMENT BC ELECTION
Election Fraud.
When (super crook) Vanderzalm was kicked out of office (1991) BC voters proclaimed they "would never vote NDP again"
Oh how quickly they forget! (NDP comes a close second)
I personally do not believe democracy is legitimate, when the British monarchy abdicated the throne (1936) it was a veil... placing guilt on the populous for their own mistakes (as well as the result of an illegal marriage).
The monarchy wanted a government more accessible to the people but never gave up complete control (the queen can sack the government anytime). So democracy in England has been a fraud since its creation and this was the model that Canada and the USA followed. It is a veil that disguises the responsibility of the puppet masters … the puppets take the blame.
Now the thing about a king is that a king cannot be ‘bought’ or coerced because the king already owns everything in the country.
A politician is elected and as soon as he/she takes office the corrupting forces of organized crime and foreign interests begin to make offers and/or threats.
The politician knows he/she is only in office for 4-8 years and so is likely to accept such bribes or succumb to threats.
Democracy is a system which operates on the premise that everybody has a price, the burden of guilt is placed on voters for making wrong choices when in fact there never was a choice to begin with.
The monarchy saw to this when the electoral system was set up as an illusion.
QBall @ Wed May 13, 2009 9:26 am
Mayfly Mayfly:
COMMENT BC ELECTION
Election Fraud.
When (super crook) Vanderzalm was kicked out of office (1991) BC voters proclaimed they "would never vote NDP again"
Oh how quickly they forget! (NDP comes a close second)
I personally do not believe democracy is legitimate, when the British monarchy abdicated the throne (1936) it was a veil... placing guilt on the populous for their own mistakes (as well as the result of an illegal marriage).
The monarchy wanted a government more accessible to the people but never gave up complete control (the queen can sack the government anytime). So democracy in England has been a fraud since its creation and this was the model that Canada and the USA followed. It is a veil that disguises the responsibility of the puppet masters … the puppets take the blame.
Now the thing about a king is that a king cannot be ‘bought’ or coerced because the king already owns everything in the country.
A politician is elected and as soon as he/she takes office the corrupting forces of organized crime and foreign interests begin to make offers and/or threats.
The politician knows he/she is only in office for 4-8 years and so is likely to accept such bribes or succumb to threats.
Democracy is a system which operates on the premise that everybody has a price, the burden of guilt is placed on voters for making wrong choices when in fact there never was a choice to begin with.
The monarchy saw to this when the electoral system was set up as an illusion.
Election Fraud.
When (super crook) Vanderzalm was kicked out of office (1991) BC voters proclaimed they "would never vote NDP again"
Oh how quickly they forget! (NDP comes a close second)
I personally do not believe democracy is legitimate, when the British monarchy abdicated the throne (1936) it was a veil... placing guilt on the populous for their own mistakes (as well as the result of an illegal marriage).
The monarchy wanted a government more accessible to the people but never gave up complete control (the queen can sack the government anytime). So democracy in England has been a fraud since its creation and this was the model that Canada and the USA followed. It is a veil that disguises the responsibility of the puppet masters … the puppets take the blame.
Now the thing about a king is that a king cannot be ‘bought’ or coerced because the king already owns everything in the country.
A politician is elected and as soon as he/she takes office the corrupting forces of organized crime and foreign interests begin to make offers and/or threats.
The politician knows he/she is only in office for 4-8 years and so is likely to accept such bribes or succumb to threats.
Democracy is a system which operates on the premise that everybody has a price, the burden of guilt is placed on voters for making wrong choices when in fact there never was a choice to begin with.
The monarchy saw to this when the electoral system was set up as an illusion.
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And this giant rant has what to do with the BC election?
sandorski @ Wed May 13, 2009 10:26 am
QBall QBall:
Mayfly Mayfly:
COMMENT BC ELECTION
Election Fraud.
When (super crook) Vanderzalm was kicked out of office (1991) BC voters proclaimed they "would never vote NDP again"
Oh how quickly they forget! (NDP comes a close second)
I personally do not believe democracy is legitimate, when the British monarchy abdicated the throne (1936) it was a veil... placing guilt on the populous for their own mistakes (as well as the result of an illegal marriage).
The monarchy wanted a government more accessible to the people but never gave up complete control (the queen can sack the government anytime). So democracy in England has been a fraud since its creation and this was the model that Canada and the USA followed. It is a veil that disguises the responsibility of the puppet masters … the puppets take the blame.
Now the thing about a king is that a king cannot be ‘bought’ or coerced because the king already owns everything in the country.
A politician is elected and as soon as he/she takes office the corrupting forces of organized crime and foreign interests begin to make offers and/or threats.
The politician knows he/she is only in office for 4-8 years and so is likely to accept such bribes or succumb to threats.
Democracy is a system which operates on the premise that everybody has a price, the burden of guilt is placed on voters for making wrong choices when in fact there never was a choice to begin with.
The monarchy saw to this when the electoral system was set up as an illusion.
Election Fraud.
When (super crook) Vanderzalm was kicked out of office (1991) BC voters proclaimed they "would never vote NDP again"
Oh how quickly they forget! (NDP comes a close second)
I personally do not believe democracy is legitimate, when the British monarchy abdicated the throne (1936) it was a veil... placing guilt on the populous for their own mistakes (as well as the result of an illegal marriage).
The monarchy wanted a government more accessible to the people but never gave up complete control (the queen can sack the government anytime). So democracy in England has been a fraud since its creation and this was the model that Canada and the USA followed. It is a veil that disguises the responsibility of the puppet masters … the puppets take the blame.
Now the thing about a king is that a king cannot be ‘bought’ or coerced because the king already owns everything in the country.
A politician is elected and as soon as he/she takes office the corrupting forces of organized crime and foreign interests begin to make offers and/or threats.
The politician knows he/she is only in office for 4-8 years and so is likely to accept such bribes or succumb to threats.
Democracy is a system which operates on the premise that everybody has a price, the burden of guilt is placed on voters for making wrong choices when in fact there never was a choice to begin with.
The monarchy saw to this when the electoral system was set up as an illusion.
And this giant rant has what to do with the BC election?The Queen pulled the Lever and Campbell Won!! duh!
herbie @ Wed May 13, 2009 11:12 pm
Look at it this way: if Luongo hadn't turned into a fucking sieve, only 10 people would have turned out in each riding.
And the Libs would still have won the same number of seats +/- 2 ....
OMG did the Queen get to Luongo???? 
SprCForr @ Fri May 15, 2009 11:55 am
Mayfly Mayfly:
COMMENT BC ELECTION
Election Fraud.
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Election Fraud.
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Plastering the cut and paste around this site and that other site is heartbeat away from spamming.
Don't do it again.