Airbus pulls out of Canada's fighter jet competition
bootlegga @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:23 am
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One of the companies in the race to replace Canada's aging fleet of CF-18 jet fighters has dropped out of the competition.
Airbus Defence and Space, which was pitching the Eurofighter Typhoon, notified the Liberal government Friday that it was not going to bid.
The decision was made after a detailed review of the tender issued by the federal government in mid-July.
The move leaves only three companies in the $19 billion contest: Lockheed Martin Canada with its F-35; Boeing with the Super Hornet; and Saab, which is offering an updated version of its Gripen fighter.
Simon Jacques, president of Airbus Defence and Space Canada, made a point of saying the company appreciated the professional dealings it had with defence and procurement officials.
"Airbus Defence and Space is proud of our longstanding partnership with the Government of Canada, and of serving our fifth home country's aerospace priorities for over three decades," Jacques said in a statement. "Together we continue in our focus of supporting the men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces, growing skilled aerospace jobs across the country and spurring innovation in the Canadian aerospace sector."
In a statement, Public Services and Procurement Minister Carla Qualtrough said she accepted Airbus's decision.
"We understand that participation in this competition represents a significant commitment for suppliers, and we respect this business decision," she said. "We would like to thank the U.K. Government and Airbus Defence and Space for their participation and thoughtful feedback during this process."
Airbus decided to withdraw after looking at the NORAD intelligence security requirements and the cost it imposes on companies outside of North America.
It also said it was convinced that the industrial benefits regime, as written in the tender, "does not sufficiently value the binding commitments the Typhoon Canada package was willing to make."
Airbus Defence and Space, which was pitching the Eurofighter Typhoon, notified the Liberal government Friday that it was not going to bid.
The decision was made after a detailed review of the tender issued by the federal government in mid-July.
The move leaves only three companies in the $19 billion contest: Lockheed Martin Canada with its F-35; Boeing with the Super Hornet; and Saab, which is offering an updated version of its Gripen fighter.
Simon Jacques, president of Airbus Defence and Space Canada, made a point of saying the company appreciated the professional dealings it had with defence and procurement officials.
"Airbus Defence and Space is proud of our longstanding partnership with the Government of Canada, and of serving our fifth home country's aerospace priorities for over three decades," Jacques said in a statement. "Together we continue in our focus of supporting the men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces, growing skilled aerospace jobs across the country and spurring innovation in the Canadian aerospace sector."
In a statement, Public Services and Procurement Minister Carla Qualtrough said she accepted Airbus's decision.
"We understand that participation in this competition represents a significant commitment for suppliers, and we respect this business decision," she said. "We would like to thank the U.K. Government and Airbus Defence and Space for their participation and thoughtful feedback during this process."
Airbus decided to withdraw after looking at the NORAD intelligence security requirements and the cost it imposes on companies outside of North America.
It also said it was convinced that the industrial benefits regime, as written in the tender, "does not sufficiently value the binding commitments the Typhoon Canada package was willing to make."
Continued at: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/airbus ... -1.5265665
Sounds like it's pre-determined that we will buy the F-35 Turdburger...
llama66 @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:31 am
Yay! The Turdburger!!
CDN_PATRIOT @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:45 am
Someone at DND needs to get their heads checked, and just buy a whole load of Super Hornets! I've been saying this time and again, and it only makes sense! We can get a lot more of them for the price, our pilots would be almost familiar with them creating near seamless integration, and they are a TWO ENGINED FIGHTER that fits our needs!
How hard can this be?!?!
-J.
xerxes @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:50 am
Or go with Saab. They’re offering a pretty good deal.
DrCaleb @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:56 am
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
How hard can this be?!?!
-J.
-J.
Level: Canadian Government Procurement Hard.
llama66 @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:02 am
That's like
+10 to Bureaucracy
+10 Red Tape
-5 to Intelligence
+15 to Ineptitude
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:23 am
I'm still saying that Canada needs to look at the Embraer Tucano as an augment to the jet fighters. It would make the most of a limited defence budget...lower procurement costs, lower training costs, and lower operational costs all make the Tucano a good deal for a domestic defense and patrol aircraft.
Thanos @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:24 am
Maybe they took at look at the SNC Lavalin debacle and realized they just didn't have enough spare bribery cash on hand to have a chance of winning the bid in Liberal Canada. Oh, well. Yay F-35 Turdburger! Try not to kill too many of our pilots when one of your more *ahem* interesting features goes all kablooey at 40000 feet while doing Mach 3, eh.
DrCaleb @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:31 am
llama66 llama66:
That's like
+10 to Bureaucracy
+10 Red Tape
-5 to Intelligence
+15 to Ineptitude
+10 to Bureaucracy
+10 Red Tape
-5 to Intelligence
+15 to Ineptitude
Then roll 4 D6s, and get 23 to save.
llama66 @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:03 am
The Super Tucano actually looks like an alright supplement to our heavy fighters. 9mil a unit is a pretty sweet price too. They could be used for like light CAP and Battlefield Support, and Coastal/Border Patrol.
CDN_PATRIOT @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:45 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I'm still saying that Canada needs to look at the Embraer Tucano as an augment to the jet fighters.
Propellers? Really?
-J.
xerxes @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:49 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I'm still saying that Canada needs to look at the Embraer Tucano as an augment to the jet fighters. It would make the most of a limited defence budget...lower procurement costs, lower training costs, and lower operational costs all make the Tucano a good deal for a domestic defense and patrol aircraft.
If we wanted to go cheaper and still keep it in NA, Cessna has a low cost fighter in development called the Scorpion. Only $20m per unit.
peck420 @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:18 pm
xerxes xerxes:
Or go with Saab. They’re offering a pretty good deal.
We will go with whatever the US tells us to go with...
from the OP:
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After complaints from the Trump administration, the Liberal government revised the industrial benefits portion of the tender to make it more fair to Lockheed Martin.
The changes to the evaluation process irked some competitors.
Under long-established military procurement policy, the federal government demands companies spend the equivalent of a contract's value in Canada as a way to bolster industry in this country.
The F-35 program is not structured that way. It allows Canadian companies to bid on the aircraft's global supply chain contracts.
There is, however, no guarantee that they'll get any of those contracts.
The recent revision ensures that Lockheed Martin will not be severely penalized for having a different system.
The changes to the evaluation process irked some competitors.
Under long-established military procurement policy, the federal government demands companies spend the equivalent of a contract's value in Canada as a way to bolster industry in this country.
The F-35 program is not structured that way. It allows Canadian companies to bid on the aircraft's global supply chain contracts.
There is, however, no guarantee that they'll get any of those contracts.
The recent revision ensures that Lockheed Martin will not be severely penalized for having a different system.
This will not change until our leaders actually realize who our threats are and who they are not.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:22 pm
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I'm still saying that Canada needs to look at the Embraer Tucano as an augment to the jet fighters.
Propellers? Really?
-J.
Yes, really. For Canada they'd be a force multiplier...have the Tucanos do the daily show-the-flag exercises at low cost and then have them call in the Bugs when they need that kind of backup.
Also, they can stay in the air longer than the bugs can and that gives them persistence in theatre...same reason we use propeller driven drones for certain taskings.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:23 pm
peck420 peck420:
This will not change until our leaders actually realize who our threats are and who they are not.
Your leaders are usually your worst threats. Same as us.