Canada Kicks Ass
Concerning Canada and Immigrants...


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mike2277 @ Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:07 pm

Twila Twila:
I don't imagine any command has been given to observe your birthday either.

Well actually there has been. However, We only celebrate my 25th birthday....once a year I turn 25. If you don't believe me just ask my daughter. She'll tell you true.

:lol: :lol:

That would be 25 with how many years experience?


Twila @ Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:10 pm

enough to not want to say. lol


Tigermousecat @ Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:50 pm

I work with alot of very elderly clients (90-99 years) and often hear them moan about the state of our country because of immigrants and have to smile as alot of them are first generation Canadians, their parents all came from elsewhere.
I also get upset with this political correctness gone mad and what usually surprises me is it is usally these nice Canadian-born upwardly mobile yuppy types who instigate alot of these changes! I have Iranian immigrant friends who have embraced the idea of xmas (with tree and gifts) as another great excuse to have a party and give gifts to those they care about! As Muslims they recognize Christ as a prophet with all the respect that confers.
They are just happy to be here and by the time their grandchildren are young adults, they are more likely to be as "Canadian" in mindset in culture and attitude as any of my great nieces or nephews
As for turbans, these are worn as part of their religion. It is a statement of their faith as much as a priest wears a collar or a nun a habit. I have had clients who informed me of how important this is to their faith.
We can not judge till we get all the facts. It was only a few generations ago that the Irish was considered trash by the English Canadians when they arrived here.


mike2277 @ Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:14 am

Tigermousecat Tigermousecat:
As for turbans, these are worn as part of their religion. It is a statement of their faith as much as a priest wears a collar or a nun a habit.

Your analogy is not valid. Most orders of nuns do not wear habits any more. Most priests wear the collar for work only.


Rev_Blair @ Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:08 am

Okay, how about men men who have been circumcised as part of their religion? They certainly wear that everywhere. :lol:


Gonzo @ Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:27 am

What makes Canada great is that living here you can see cultures of the whole world without having to travel. I was speaking to a cab driver from Saudi Arabia and he lived in the United States and said that Canada was so much better because you are truly free. Guess what, he spoke to me in english. I dont know where these people are that cant speak the language and hate Christmas. In my experience, it's not immigrants who are offended by Christmas but Canadians who are trying so hard to be pollitically correct. So enough bitching about immigrants. This has been happening for to long.


norad @ Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:51 pm

Reason & compassion
I can't believe the way Ottawa handles our immigration system. Headlines scream that the immigration system needs to be fixed. Ottawa refuses to give aid to the provinces for health care. Needy people who depend on public aid are being cut back to near starvation levels - and what does Ottawa do?

Well, for one, it keeps highly qualified people this country needs on the backburner while Immigration Minister Judy Sgro announces she is going to fast-track a minimum of 400 incurable AIDS patients a year into this country and throw them onto provincial health care and welfare systems.

This is all in the name of humanity, to show what great, compassionate people we are. This will amount to an extra 4,000 AIDS patients needing treatment in the next decade, plus their dependants, and let's face facts, any Canadian partners they develop an intimate relationship with.

Ms. Sgro does not seem to realize that for every dollar we spend on a patient we bring into Canada to treat and put on welfare, we could be treating a hundred or more of these unfortunate people in their own country. Now that would be compassion - not leaving 100 people to suffer with no aid in order to move one privileged person from their group to Canada.

And by golly, being Canadians, no one complains because Ms. Sgro says we are being compassionate.

Russell McManus, Truro

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this guy hit the nail on the head!


Rev_Blair @ Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:23 pm

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this guy hit the nail on the head!

Since you asked...We can well afford 400 AIDs victims a year. Not all will be on welfare and not all will receive their treatment for free. More than that, the conditions these people come from will almost certainly produce a backlash against western countries. Our offer of (extrememly limited, given the numbers) compassion right now could well benefit us greatly in the not-so-distant future.

When 80 million AIDs orphans in Africa begin picking up AK-47s and looking for somebody to blame in a few years, it would likely be best if at least some of them had a friendly view of Canada. 400 a year now versus 80 million in what is destined to become a wealthy and powerful continent with a chip or two (rightfully so, I think) on their shoulder?


norad @ Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:38 pm

I figured you would put in your two cents worth, Rev! :lol:

You're right when you say not all of them will receive welfare, or their treatment for free, but if just a fraction of them get AIDS treatment for free, what does that do to our health care system? This is really what hit me when I read the letter. With cutbacks in every province, do you think that the government is being a little hypocritical? "We have to cut back because the system is strained; citizens that pay into this system will just have to wait in line, but the people we are bringing into the country we can help." Don't get me wrong, helping out other countries is a good thing, but in my mind, charity starts at home. When we can take care of the people already living here, the people living on the streets, the hungry (don't forget the Liberals mentioned 10 years ago that child poverty in this country was a priority, which has NOT been dealt with in the least), and people just down on their luck. Granted, some do play the system, but the system was made to keep people on it; not to get them off of it.


Rev_Blair @ Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:23 pm

A couple of things...first of all if the system is broken then lets fix the system, not blame those who are trapped by it.

Our health care system should be properly funded. Blaming a few foreign AIDS victims for the shortcomings and stupidity of our government(s) is like blaming trees for all the paper on my desk ot The Fort Garry Brewing Company for the empty bottles in my porch.

Charity does start at home. So tell Paul Martin to follow the recommendations of the Romanow Report and start properly funding medical care. Consider making generic AIDs drugs available to those who have emigrated from eligible countries and retain citizenship there.

Charity also travels. Give more aid to those countries suffering from the AIDs pandemic, especially in the area of education. Be more involved in multilateral institutions and encourage such involvement from other nations. Fight against unilateral and bilateral deals that work against the greater good. Be outspoken no matter who we might piss off.



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