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Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:42 am

Have I called people on the right things, accused them of crimes? You bet I have. I've always been able to back up what I said though. Godz isn't making an argument here, or voicing an opinion. He isn't using a metaphor or using allegory to make a point. What he is doing is lying about an entire group of people based on absolutely nothing.

I haven't said that he can't continue to say what he says, merely required that he prove it. Can he do so? No, he cannot. That's why the Conservatives backed away from a similar turn of phrase so quickly during the election. I don't like Stephen Harper much, but at least he had the good sense to back away from that little piece of slander.

Since he cannot prove it, and refuses to apologise for his words, I think he could at least have the common decency to shut up about it.


jerrysb @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:57 am

let's not forget people that the us spends 4% moer on health care which means we would have to spend 40 billion more on our health care, which is 1333 $ extra per person and since kids and many other people don't pay, that could probably transalte into an extra 2G's for the working man and woman. So for everyone ALWAYS saying private and capitalism is better, it isn't. It's just another tool humans have used to help them deal with this game we call society.

To solve our health care system, get rid of the politians of the whole process and put people like doctors and nurses and technicians and econmists... nad they'll tell you we sould focus on preventative care (get off your ass and excerise fatty fat fat, eat well...). We have to put emphasis on effiency (admistrative, not effiency translating patiants as cattle), using the latest technology (some operations a decade ago can now be done in a doctor's office so you not only save the surgeons time but also the nurses caring for you, there's an extra bed... you get the point)

It WILL NOT be solved with money because what goes to health care cannot be spent on anything else. In economics this is called opportunity cost (what you spend on one thing is the opportunity costs of not spending that money on something else).


Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:01 pm

Sounds like you've read the Romanow Report, Jerry.


jerrysb @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:10 pm

i was reading what others were saying about the brain drain. I don't really believe in it. What worried me is that stats say what we lose in graduates we gain from immigration but everyone knows we don't use the skills of our new citizens so i guess there is a brain drain.

When it comes to taxes, I hope the right wings here understand taxes don't play the important role you think. Companies, well the one we one to attract like high tech, look at supply of professionals ( no, well just look at the tech triangle around waterloo), infrastructure, other costs like health care ( yep, many companies love our system because they save in health care costs). Taxes do play an important role but they are just one factor out of many.

Oh yeah, i'm not the one saying it. It's just how it works. I don't know why i'm even pointing that out. If taxes were the only thing bosses were looking at, African countries would probably do a lot better. Oh yeah, they don't have educated people (in the same density as in canada or other western countries), their infrastructure is non-existent. And best of all, their currencis aren't worth much which means low purchasing power. Wow, paying somebody 3$ an hour there is cheap and they can surive quite well on that wage rate.

Alliance, you've just missed the boat on advocating low taxes.


Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:28 pm

What worried me is that stats say what we lose in graduates we gain from immigration but everyone knows we don't use the skills of our new citizens so i guess there is a brain drain.

But we do use them. The only place where there is a significant problem with not accepting foreign education is in medicine and that's got a lot to do with a highly conservative medical establishment. There are lesser problems in other fields, but overall those with valid foreign educations are allowed to challenge tests etc and generally join the Canadian workforce.


jerrysb @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:10 pm

hey rev, never been in a cab before. Many a times i've talked to cabbies with ten times the formal education i have (which is nil by the way). A study on the competiveness and productivity of canada even pointed this out. They may have inflated the numbers but i still think we need to better use the skills of these people. Another report shows how new immigrants stay marginilized. We were doing something about it. Wonder what happened?


Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:30 pm

I've been in plenty of cabs, Jerry. I actually had a (correct as it turned out) diagnosis of my arthritis given there.

Have you ever noticed the incredible number of people with accents who hold upper-echelon positions in our country, especially in government? Do ya think they were all educated here?

The reality is that we do a lot and need to do more. There is no doubt about that, and that isn't my argument. My argument is that we do accept credentials from other countries. More than that, the resistance to accepting those credentials more often has to do with conservatism (not political) among specific self-regulating agencies than anything else...they don't want the competition.

That is furthered by a conservative (very much political) agenda of wanting to see certain institutions fail so they can be replaced by a system more favourable to a few powerful people.

Does that make things clearer?


jerrysb @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:42 pm

sure things are clearer for me on your point of view. It's going to take more than a 20 word paragraph to convince me otherwise. You'll have to gaive some exemples or leads to where i can get some info. I don't see why the conservatives would want to do this to people who've done nothing to them. If it's to reduce the # of immigrants in this country sure. I don't think i'm the only one who notices xenophobic tendencies with the far right.


Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:08 pm

Straight Goods, Vive le Canada, and Rabble are good places to start. Likely the best thing is just to watch the news, know where the various players come from, and think critically. Combine that with Google and a grasp of recent history and you'll find that the truth really is out there.


jerrysb @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:01 pm

my point was just that the states spent way more than us.

I keep hearing people complain that in the states, there are no waiting times and blah, blah, blah. I'm just saying we can have that. It'll just us more, that's all.



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