US: Verizon Just Destroyed The Case For 'Net Neutrality'
BeaverFever @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:05 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
You don’t understand.
No, you don't understand. You can use this technology to start your own ISP and sign your own contracts to deliver content to your customers.
If the NFL or anyone else refuses to do a deal with you then you can sue the fuckers to the ends of the earth for violating anti-trust laws.
Then you'll have more money to expand your company and I will absolutely cheer you on!
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No YOU don’t understand. You don’t even make sense. And you conveniently avoided mt question because you obviously don’t have an anst.
You don’t need to end net neutrality to start your own ISP or use this technology.
Ending net neutrality specifically means allowing NFL oe Netflix or whomever can sign those exclusive contracts.
Get it?????!
Jaysus Christ man!.
herbie @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:09 am
$1:
More competition means our local ISP had better not throttle or censor something lest someone else step in to compete.
Also, as I am looking at this 5G technology it's so accessible that setting up a small, local, mom & pop ISP with a modest ~$150,000 investment is quite feasible.
For small towns that currently depend on copper wire Internet this is going to be a huge leap forward.
Likewise, if you want to form a cooperative with your like-minded friends this puts that possibility within reach assuming your nanny-state government won't outlaw it first.
Also, as I am looking at this 5G technology it's so accessible that setting up a small, local, mom & pop ISP with a modest ~$150,000 investment is quite feasible.
For small towns that currently depend on copper wire Internet this is going to be a huge leap forward.
Likewise, if you want to form a cooperative with your like-minded friends this puts that possibility within reach assuming your nanny-state government won't outlaw it first.
Bin dare dundat.
You can easily buy all the equipment for a WISP, but then you need a backbone. Only the Big Guys sell that, and they make sure you're gonna pay big time for that.
You'd be pressed to do it for that much with LTE which the WISPs are moving to around here.
You won't be doing 5G for that price, equipment prices are extreme as the same Big Guys are buying it up now. Plus the range of 5G is way shorter, you'd need twice as much equipment for the same coverage.
Just got offered by the outfit that runs my old WISP that if I were to buy a top tier home connection from them they'd look the other way if I resold it to my neighbours. Thinking of doing that, I still have some 5GHz radios kicking about.
BartSimpson @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:23 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
If not for investors seeking profits you'd be typing on a typewriter right now.
An IBM(tm) Selectric(tm)?
Oh, no. The IBM was funded by evil investors.
Thanos is a man of principle. He'd use a typewriter that was made by the people and for the people.
BartSimpson @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:26 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
You don’t need to end net neutrality to start your own ISP or use this technology.
I never said you did.
But if you do set up your own ISP then you can negotiate contracts with whoever you want.
And if you want net neutrality in Canada then have at it.
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:34 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
If not for investors seeking profits you'd be typing on a typewriter right now.
An IBM(tm) Selectric(tm)?
Oh, no. The IBM was funded by evil investors.
Thanos is a man of principle. He'd use a typewriter that was made by the people and for the people.
No, at the time IBM had it's own internal rally songs. It was a company that built things, because it loved building things.
https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhi ... clips.html
Now it builds things, and fucks over it's customers just so the VPs can meet their quarterly target stock price and get their bonuses.
I miss the old IBM.
BeaverFever @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:35 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
You don’t need to end net neutrality to start your own ISP or use this technology.
I never said you did.
But if you do set up your own ISP then you can negotiate contracts with whoever you want.
And if you want net neutrality in Canada then have at it.
Contracts for what? To charge extra for access content that’s currently available to everyone at no extra cost?
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:48 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Contracts for what? To charge extra for access content that’s currently available to everyone at no extra cost?
ISPs in the US would have you believe that the power company is unfairly charged fees when they buy power from one provider vs another, and that you should be charged more for the power to run your vacuum than the power to run your fridge. And if you use too much power, then you should be charged even more or have your voltage reduced because you used too much.
(even though it costs them no more or less)
BartSimpson @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:16 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
ISPs in the US would have you believe that the power company is unfairly charged fees when they buy power from one provider vs another, and that you should be charged more for the power to run your vacuum than the power to run your fridge. And if you use too much power, then you should be charged even more or have your voltage reduced because you used too much.
(even though it costs them no more or less)
(even though it costs them no more or less)
Meanwhile, in Canada, it's illegal for you to use a US satellite TV/Internet provider.
We need no such laws to prevent Americans from using shitty Canadian TV/Internet providers.
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:19 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
ISPs in the US would have you believe that the power company is unfairly charged fees when they buy power from one provider vs another, and that you should be charged more for the power to run your vacuum than the power to run your fridge. And if you use too much power, then you should be charged even more or have your voltage reduced because you used too much.
(even though it costs them no more or less)
(even though it costs them no more or less)
Meanwhile, in Canada, it's illegal for you to use a US satellite TV/Internet provider.
We need no such laws to prevent Americans from using shitty Canadian TV/Internet providers.
That law is American, the same reason we couldn't have some versions of Windows for a while. Limitations on the Export of Strong Cryptography.
BartSimpson @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:29 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
ISPs in the US would have you believe that the power company is unfairly charged fees when they buy power from one provider vs another, and that you should be charged more for the power to run your vacuum than the power to run your fridge. And if you use too much power, then you should be charged even more or have your voltage reduced because you used too much.
(even though it costs them no more or less)
(even though it costs them no more or less)
Meanwhile, in Canada, it's illegal for you to use a US satellite TV/Internet provider.
We need no such laws to prevent Americans from using shitty Canadian TV/Internet providers.
That law is American, the same reason we couldn't have some versions of Windows for a while. Limitations on the Export of Strong Cryptography.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e22395853/
$1:
The Supreme Court of Canada has decided that the hundreds of thousands of Canadians receiving satellite television from the United States are breaking the law.
The ruling means that if Canadian TV viewers want to sign up for a satellite service -- and the hundreds of channels it can deliver -- they must subscribe through one of two lawful Canadian distributors: Bell ExpressVu LP or Star Choice Communications Inc.
The half-million or so Canadian households that pay a company for a small satellite dish, a decoder and an address in the United States are now receiving illegal television services.
The ruling means that if Canadian TV viewers want to sign up for a satellite service -- and the hundreds of channels it can deliver -- they must subscribe through one of two lawful Canadian distributors: Bell ExpressVu LP or Star Choice Communications Inc.
The half-million or so Canadian households that pay a company for a small satellite dish, a decoder and an address in the United States are now receiving illegal television services.
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:49 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Meanwhile, in Canada, it's illegal for you to use a US satellite TV/Internet provider.
We need no such laws to prevent Americans from using shitty Canadian TV/Internet providers.
That law is American, the same reason we couldn't have some versions of Windows for a while. Limitations on the Export of Strong Cryptography.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e22395853/
$1:
The Supreme Court of Canada has decided that the hundreds of thousands of Canadians receiving satellite television from the United States are breaking the law.
The ruling means that if Canadian TV viewers want to sign up for a satellite service -- and the hundreds of channels it can deliver -- they must subscribe through one of two lawful Canadian distributors: Bell ExpressVu LP or Star Choice Communications Inc.
The half-million or so Canadian households that pay a company for a small satellite dish, a decoder and an address in the United States are now receiving illegal television services.
The ruling means that if Canadian TV viewers want to sign up for a satellite service -- and the hundreds of channels it can deliver -- they must subscribe through one of two lawful Canadian distributors: Bell ExpressVu LP or Star Choice Communications Inc.
The half-million or so Canadian households that pay a company for a small satellite dish, a decoder and an address in the United States are now receiving illegal television services.
$1:
As of 2009, non-military cryptography exports from the U.S. are controlled by the Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security.[10] Some restrictions still exist, even for mass market products, particularly with regard to export to "rogue states" and terrorist organizations. Militarized encryption equipment, TEMPEST-approved electronics, custom cryptographic software, and even cryptographic consulting services still require an export license[10](pp. 6–7). Furthermore, encryption registration with the BIS is required for the export of "mass market encryption commodities, software and components with encryption exceeding 64 bits" (75 FR 36494). In addition, other items require a one-time review by, or notification to, BIS prior to export to most countries.[10] For instance, the BIS must be notified before open-source cryptographic software is made publicly available on the Internet, though no review is required.[11] Export regulations have been relaxed from pre-1996 standards, but are still complex.[10] Other countries, notably those participating in the Wassenaar Arrangement,[12] have similar restrictions.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of ... ted_States
$1:
The outline of the arrangement is set out in a document entitled "Guidelines & Procedures, including the Initial Elements".[1] The list of restricted technologies is broken into two parts, the "List of Dual-Use Goods and Technologies" (also known as the Basic List) and the "Munitions List". The Basic List is composed of ten categories based on increasing levels of sophistication:
Category 1 – Special Materials and Related Equipment
Category 2 – Materials Processing
Category 3 – Electronics
Category 4 – Computers
Category 5 – Part 1 – Telecommunications
Category 5 – Part 2 – Information Security
Category 6 – Sensors and Lasers
Category 7 – Navigation and Avionics
Category 8 – Marine
Category 9 – Aerospace and Propulsion
Category 1 – Special Materials and Related Equipment
Category 2 – Materials Processing
Category 3 – Electronics
Category 4 – Computers
Category 5 – Part 1 – Telecommunications
Category 5 – Part 2 – Information Security
Category 6 – Sensors and Lasers
Category 7 – Navigation and Avionics
Category 8 – Marine
Category 9 – Aerospace and Propulsion
Wassenaar Arrangement
DrCaleb @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:51 am
The US restricts it's export, as does Canada.
The SCoC ruling IIRC was because US subscriptions don't pay into Canadian funds for culture and pay for more content.
BartSimpson @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:03 pm
We do not restrict the export of satellite receivers for TV or Internet services especially since most of those devices aren't made here anyway.
herbie @ Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:03 pm
TV and Internet are two different things, unless you want to look at the streaming abortion that's following the cable TV model. Like their "bundles" you now need a Netflix subscription, a Crave subscrition, etc, etc, etc. to get what you want.
Net neutrality comes in when Bell lets Bell owned streaming services run at full speed and throttles Netflix. Or has an app that lets you use Bell apps that don't count against your data cap while everything else does.