Australia experiences hottest day on record and its worst ev
Newsbot @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:40 pm
Title: Australia experiences hottest day on record and its worst ever spring bushfire danger
Category: Weather
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2019-12-18 11:27:11
Canadian
uwish @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:40 pm
except is wasn't...46.6 degrees in 1939..
fake news, more alarmist BS
DrCaleb @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:58 pm
Try reading the article before pasting your bullshit.
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Preliminary analysis suggested that Tuesday was the hottest day on record for Australia, with an average maximum across the country of 40.9C. The temperature beat the previous 40.3C set on 7 January 2013, in a record going back to 1910.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:29 pm
Doc appears to be saying an alleged .6 of a degree difference he has discovered that was somehow derived somewhere from sort of selective data beginning in 1910 excuses the far left, "Ship of Fools," British, Guardian newspaper's hysterical title to his thread.
Jo Nova in Australia disagrees:
Hottest ever day in Australia — especially if you ignore history
Tuesday was Australia’s hottest day on record sayth the Bureau of Meteorology.
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And perhaps it was. But look at the temperatures reported in newspapers across the country during the month of January in 1896 when people were going mad with axes, dropping dead in coaches and railway stations and birds were falling lifeless from the trees? Emergency trains were ferrying people from the country to the mountains. Panic stricken people fled the outback on special trains and the death toll was hundreds die.
Fifty years later scientists would publish papers talking about how Australian summers had cooled since then.
How does the BOM know for sure that it was not hotter on any one of these days? Perhaps they don’t. Wouldn’t it be more honest of the BOM to mention that? It’s not like billions of dollars depends upon it…
Seems the only time the ABC or BOM suddenly discover our historic weather records is when we get unseasonal snow or freezing cold.
The heatwave started in the West on Jan 1st and travelled eastwards, as most heatwaves do. The hottest day was possibly Jan 23 or 24 in 1896 which is when most of the Eastern States maximum temperatures shown above were recorded. And there are hints that this was both widespread and long — some of these towns recorded three long weeks of ultra high temperatures close to and over 110F (43.3C) like Nannine in WA (near Meekatharra) and Cunnamulla in Qld. Both reported peaks as high as 120F (48.8C). In Bourke temperatures were above 102F (38.9C) for 24 days in a row.
The BOM will say things were not entirely standardized or approved back then. But why would they care? Many of the BOM’s current sites fail their own standards: thermometers may sit for 30 years over bitumen, or right next to incinerators. They plough around sites, move them, build walls next to them and forget, even next to their own offices. The BOM accept one-second records from new electronic gizmo’s in small screens, and adjust old temperatures down by as much as two whole degrees. Sometimes modern BOM sites need mysterious calendar monthly corrections, or get corrected by thermometers across the Bass Strait, and sometimes they are incredibly detailed but repeat robotically year after year. Remember those temperature maps of our deserts in WWI? There are sites where there are no thermometers which record exactly the same temperatures as they did the year before (and the year after). Just “made up”? The hottest day ever recorded was probably calculated with maps like that.
The BOM can hardly be precious about scientific standards 130 years ago when they have so few themselves today.
And let’s not forget that in 1896 thermometers were nearly a 300 year old technology. There was not much in the way of urban heat island effects – no airports, no five lane super highways, small populations, and some of these temperatures come from trained expert observatories. And let’s not forget either, as we just discovered, that there’s been no change in Very Hot Days in Australia since World War I (at least until the BOM adjusted them)...
Fifty years later scientists would publish papers talking about how Australian summers had cooled since then.
How does the BOM know for sure that it was not hotter on any one of these days? Perhaps they don’t. Wouldn’t it be more honest of the BOM to mention that? It’s not like billions of dollars depends upon it…
Seems the only time the ABC or BOM suddenly discover our historic weather records is when we get unseasonal snow or freezing cold.
The heatwave started in the West on Jan 1st and travelled eastwards, as most heatwaves do. The hottest day was possibly Jan 23 or 24 in 1896 which is when most of the Eastern States maximum temperatures shown above were recorded. And there are hints that this was both widespread and long — some of these towns recorded three long weeks of ultra high temperatures close to and over 110F (43.3C) like Nannine in WA (near Meekatharra) and Cunnamulla in Qld. Both reported peaks as high as 120F (48.8C). In Bourke temperatures were above 102F (38.9C) for 24 days in a row.
The BOM will say things were not entirely standardized or approved back then. But why would they care? Many of the BOM’s current sites fail their own standards: thermometers may sit for 30 years over bitumen, or right next to incinerators. They plough around sites, move them, build walls next to them and forget, even next to their own offices. The BOM accept one-second records from new electronic gizmo’s in small screens, and adjust old temperatures down by as much as two whole degrees. Sometimes modern BOM sites need mysterious calendar monthly corrections, or get corrected by thermometers across the Bass Strait, and sometimes they are incredibly detailed but repeat robotically year after year. Remember those temperature maps of our deserts in WWI? There are sites where there are no thermometers which record exactly the same temperatures as they did the year before (and the year after). Just “made up”? The hottest day ever recorded was probably calculated with maps like that.
The BOM can hardly be precious about scientific standards 130 years ago when they have so few themselves today.
And let’s not forget that in 1896 thermometers were nearly a 300 year old technology. There was not much in the way of urban heat island effects – no airports, no five lane super highways, small populations, and some of these temperatures come from trained expert observatories. And let’s not forget either, as we just discovered, that there’s been no change in Very Hot Days in Australia since World War I (at least until the BOM adjusted them)...
http://joannenova.com.au/2019/12/hottes ... e-history/
PluggyRug @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:32 pm
well, there is a happy ending....
https://vancouversun.com/news/weird/aus ... cfabfcebb6
uwish @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:56 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Try reading the article before pasting your bullshit.
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Preliminary analysis suggested that Tuesday was the hottest day on record for Australia, with an average maximum across the country of 40.9C. The temperature beat the previous 40.3C set on 7 January 2013, in a record going back to 1910.
did you ever get a calculator?
xerxes @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:24 pm
And as the country faces record setting temperatures and an unrelenting series of fires, the climate change denying coal worshiping PM has fucked off to Hawaii for a vacation from reality.
herbie @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:30 pm
Maybe he too believes a handful of unscientific 1896 statistical samples over dozens of 21st century satellites and hundreds of computerized weather stations?
He's getting raked over the coals for it too.
Sunnyways @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:34 pm
I wonder if they’ll be able to set more small fires in winter, esp. near large cities, to clear the brush before summer arrives? The future of NSW does not look good, given that there is no reason to believe these trends will get any better.
xerxes @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:54 pm
Only if they care enough to do it. Part of the problem is that budgets to rural fire devices were slashed in the last year which mean that a lot of preventative management wasn’t done.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:09 pm
herbie herbie:
Maybe he too believes a handful of unscientific 1896 statistical samples over dozens of 21st century satellites and hundreds of computerized weather stations?
Satellites have only been taking the world's temperature for about 40 years.
I, like you, am not sure exactly what you mean by "computerized weather stations" or how extensive what you hope they might be are but I know this...
They don't tell you what a temperature adjustment should be on an airport tarmac in relation to when it used to sit on a cool field under a shaded tree 60 years ago. Those are later human to GIGO computer adjustments when they bother with them and can often be shown to be blatantly bogus.
Nova says 1896 temps could be sitting at the end of a 300 year record and were pretty pristine.
You're over-impressed by the term "computerized." Those of us who have had to pay the extra 1000 bucks for a car computer know it can just be something extra that can go wrong. Believe it or not cars were working just fine without them in the old days.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:24 pm
It's a moot point anyway because computers were no more around in 1910 that they were in 1896.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:28 pm
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
There is no reason to believe these trends will get any better.
Other than the fact they did get better after similar crisis level heat waves in Australia.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:28 pm
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
There is no reason to believe these trends will get any better.
Other than the fact they did get better after similar crisis level heat waves in Australia.
DrCaleb @ Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:13 am
uwish uwish:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Try reading the article before pasting your bullshit.
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Preliminary analysis suggested that Tuesday was the hottest day on record for Australia, with an average maximum across the country of 40.9C. The temperature beat the previous 40.3C set on 7 January 2013, in a record going back to 1910.
did you ever get a calculator?
Doesn't take a calculator to see your oil funded denial site is trying to preemptively ward off arguments no one is making, and you chanting 'fake news' to things that are actually happening. It makes your argument see through.
Did you read up on logical argument yet?
Oh, look!
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Extreme heat wave topples Australia's all-time temperature record for 2nd consecutive day
A heat wave that began in Perth and the Outback now has a firm grip on much of Australia as records continue to be shattered.
All-time and daily records are in jeopardy across South Australia, New South Wales and Victoria as the dangerous heat builds into Friday.
Based on preliminary reports, Wednesday is now Australia's hottest day on record. Wednesday's average maximum temperature across the country as a whole was 41.9 F (107.4 F), shattering the previous record of 40.9 C (105.6 F) set on Tuesday.
Prior to this week's record-breaking heat, the previous hottest day in Australia was on Jan. 7, 2013, when the average maximum temperature was 40.3 C (104.5 F) according to the Australia Bureau of Meteorology.
A heat wave that began in Perth and the Outback now has a firm grip on much of Australia as records continue to be shattered.
All-time and daily records are in jeopardy across South Australia, New South Wales and Victoria as the dangerous heat builds into Friday.
Based on preliminary reports, Wednesday is now Australia's hottest day on record. Wednesday's average maximum temperature across the country as a whole was 41.9 F (107.4 F), shattering the previous record of 40.9 C (105.6 F) set on Tuesday.
Prior to this week's record-breaking heat, the previous hottest day in Australia was on Jan. 7, 2013, when the average maximum temperature was 40.3 C (104.5 F) according to the Australia Bureau of Meteorology.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-w ... eek/646151
Funny how 'fake news' is so easy to verify it's authenticity. Imagine the heat records they will set once Summer arrives! I'm sure it's all related to global cooling.
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