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Are you drunk? You can’t see the gaping chasm between the conservatives and the other parties?

Conservatives are on the right. NDP is on the left. In recent years Liberals have abandoned their newly unfashionable “centrist” identity and have decided to join NDP on the left. Add the Greens you have 3 left, 1 right. Not every member of CPC is a far-right Republican style conservative as Patrick Brown showed us but the even a moderate conservative is still a conservative which is what right wing means. I mean look at the party platform of NDP and PC, they could not be more different they are diametrically opposite how can you be for both?


You can’t be for both expanded government and increased taxes (NDP) and for shrinking government and decreased taxes (PC) simultaneously. I choose the former no matter who offers it whereas you seem to be agnostic as long as neither is a Liberal.

I’m no more partisan than you are. I support NDP or Liberal because both are left wing parties. I like left wing parties. I vote against right wing parties because I disagree with right wing theories. That’s not partisan. You are voting against Liberals because you hate the Liberal Party and that my friend makes YOU the partisan, my friend.

   

Ontario is not “damaged” it may not be perfect and like anywhere there are some sore points but we have one of the best economies in Canada The public liquor store model which is used everywhere except Alberta and Quebec adds $2bn to public coffers annually, it’s the most lucrative government enterprise which is why even Ford isn’t likely to touch it. Also when Alberta privatized liquor retail (liquor wholesale is still provincial monopoly in Alberta don’t you know) prices went up and selection went down because of the loss of scale. Ontario liquor price is beliow median while IIRC Albertans pay some of the highest prices in Canada. I don’t really have any complaints about LCBO. I buy booze almost every weekend and have for pretty much the last 20 years and while the BEER INDUSTRY-owned monopoly The Beer Store deserves to die a horrible death, I’ve never been disappointed with LCBO.

   

Are you drunk?

How can you look at a platform that hasn't yet been released? The NDP has their platform out. The PC'd do not.

What you've done here is taken your pre-conceived notions and immediately assumed that it was their platform. When the platform is out, we can make a comparison.



That made me laugh out loud. With all of the partisan right-wingers on this site, you are the lone partisan on the left. You only support left-wing ideology and left wing parties.By definition, that makes you a partisan. I have voted for people belonging to all 3 parties.

I've never once in my life voted against someone. Not once. I don't fall for the typical cries from the left that conservatives are 'scary' and will cut everything and I don't fall for the same 'tax and spend' mantra from the right about the left...and I don't vote for the guy/gal that might beat a specific person. I've voted for 3 different parties in my lifetime.

Talking with the wife this week, I suggested that we stop voting in the best interest of the community and Province and just start voting for the person/party that's going to make my life better in some fashion. In the end, once these parties are in power, the end result is often the same.

   

Because I know how politics works. Parties exist to group people along ideological lines. You talk as if you think theres no political spectrum and one party is no more likely tp be left or right than another.

The NDP is an overtly socialist party formed by coalition of labour unions and social democratic groups. It is directly and deliberately antithetical to the main principles of conservative austerity which its manifesto calls “a threat to life on earth” and the manifesto only recently removed a call to end capitalism entrepy.

The NDP and the Conservatives are polar opposites in almost every respect right down to their core supporters, NDP being mainly supported by unions and conservatives by business. There’s no possible way you could flip back and forth from one to the other and back again still claim to have any credibility, unless you’re saying that you flip flop on whether you’re a socialist or a capitalist.

Oh and BTW I don’t think you know what partisan means. Partisan means sticking to one particular party, not sticking to your values. Ergo? supporting any party that shares your values is not partisan

Glad to hear you’re putting your own self interest ahead of the community. That would be textbook conservative - shocker. See Margaret Thatchers quote about there being no such thing as society and only individual self interest should rule. Now go ask your local NDP candidate what they think about that.

   

Ask your local NDP candidate what they think about Remembrance Day poppies as well while you're at it. Make sure that in order not to militaristically celebrate any white male imperialism they've got a plan in place to rename the Highway of Heroes to something like Diversity Uber Alles Avenue or Oppressed Transgendered Boulevard.

   

In your world, your political ideology must remain the same for your entire life? And, if you do so, that gives you credibility? That's laughable.

Unlike you, Beaver, I listen to all. I read the platforms. All of them. I don't make judgements and assumptions.I'm a centrist by nature and will vote for the party and people that serve my/our needs at that time. I bet you've never read a platform from any party on the right. Ever.

With my eyes open, I can see how close to the centre these parties are. The Ontario PC's are offering to fund daycare, just as the Liberals and NDP are. Times change, Beave. Time to get on board and rid yourself of those life-long biases.




You need a dictionary, my friend.

par·ti·san

NOUN
a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person.
synonyms: supporter · follower · adherent · devotee · champion · backer · upholder ·



Funny you mention that.

Who are the real 'conservatives' here?

If I was truly self serving, as you suggest all Conservatives are, I would consistently vote for a party with socialist values as that would likely net me more of the freebies. Free tuition. Free daycare. Free dental care.

As someone that supports massive deficits, aren't you a little self-serving by pushing the burden down on your children so that you can have what you want now?

   

Mass suicides.






-J.

   

And speaking of suicide, Doug Ford has been running a suicidal campaign lately.

It's like he thought to himself, "Things are going too good. What can I do to screw things up?"

Well, rejecting your base...that always works, right Doug? Worked for the last guy. Maybe you can lose all your grassroots support too.

So he throws the woman who brought him to the dance out of the party then he starts loading his new members with leftists claiming to be Conservatives.

Maybe this guy is too dumb to support.

   

How has he rejected his base?

   

Start with these two:

https://www.therebel.media/ford_s_hand_ ... might_lose

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/doug- ... ortion-gay

But Doug might have even bigger problems right now. I see the Progressive media has decided now is the moment they've been waiting for to unload their version of what the American left calls an "October surprise."

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=106338

   

Your not his base anymore. The grumpy white guy who doesn't like gays, who pretends to be religious is no longer the core of the OPC. Massively diverse party, with brown people and women. Guys like you must want to vomit.

Ford should have ousted Granic-Allen. Do you want to win or do you want to sit and watch your party lose, yet again?

And Fiddle...the links. The Rebel? Life Site News? Barf. Sites like that do nothing to help the conservative movement. They hurt it.

   

I was on the fence even voting this election because of a concern over asshats like Granic Allen. That just nudged me in the direction of Ford.

   

Always struck me that the right ruled the radio waves, and the left ruled the late night TV.

   

Not at all. If you're talking about me, personally, I'm fine with gays. Don't mind Milo at all. I get a kick out of a lot of the new conservative trannies. I subscribe to them on YouTube. The color doesn't matter so much to me as the ideology. Mine runs counter to Commies/Nazis/Socialists/Islamists/Progs and probably a few groups I forgot. I don't pretend to be religious. Personally, I can't find a church that practices in a manner I agree with so I no longer go to any.

But you asked me how Doug was losing the grassroots. That would be the sort of people who got his brother voted in as Mayor of Toronto. They're still around I showed you a couple examples of stuff that would displease them.

You guys who are only the Progressive in Progressive Conservative have an inflated opinion of yourselves. You aren't the populist grassroots no matter how much you want to fantasize that you are or like to believe you're in control of them.

   

Also morning and Prime Time TV.

The internet is where the battle is being fought. If it's left to the message we on the Right will kick ass, but the Left runs the administration and currently that seems to be the Trump card (no pun intended.)

We'll see though.

   

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