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BRAH @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:04 pm

The Walking Dead has never addressed if nuclear power plants have gone into Chernobyl meltdowns which would be worse than the zombie apocalypse.

   



Thanos @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:22 pm

As government facilities that are under super-heavy security due to terrorist threats a lot of the nuke plants could have been shut down safely before being overwhelmed by the undead, or even conceivably still on line if enough well-supplied military and police personnel had rallied to them as a future base of operations. But enough of them definitely would have melted down. Same with commercial chemical plants as well. When the power failed and the cooling systems went down the chemical plants would have gone off like bombs, blowing apart entire industrial areas in cities. And those that didn't explode would have permanently contaminated wide areas to the point where it would be quick death from exposure just from walking through them. For a few years from the starting point of the apocalypse just breathing the air in certain areas, depending on the prevailing wind patterns, would be a death sentence because it takes time for nature to wash all that crap away in the absence of a co-ordinated human effort to clean it up.

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:32 pm

peck420 peck420:
Although not official explained, it is guessed that most of the military's hardware was lost when Operation Cobalt failed. Which took place before TWD starts.


The US military has unending shitloads of ammunition and materiel. The Sierra Army Depot is still busy destroying stocks of ammunition left over from wars going back to the Spanish American War. They don't have enough money to destroy all the shit they have and the Pentagon keeps ordering more.

Also, I've personally seen some of the shit stored around Quantico and it defies comprehension. Imagine a sports stadium-sized building where nine of ten floors is underground and has stored inside the explosive potential of a few small nukes. Now imagine fifteen such places distributed around Virginia. And more around the USA. There's a name for the program that created this infrastructure and I can't remember or find it right now to save my soul. :roll:

peck420 peck420:
I had to stop watching the TV series when the group took over the prison. If you don't have safety and security protocols by this point, just a matter of time until you are dead, no real point in watching.


Eh...sometimes people survive situations by sheer dumb luck so I try not to rule that out.

   



peck420 @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:35 pm

The Walking Dead has never addressed nuclear power at all, as far as I am aware.

Could very well be that there are no nuclear power plants in TWD universe. Or, they will just throw it under the Cobalt bus, like pretty much everything else that is shown to be a bit off. Not that it really matters, it is fiction.

As an aside, on the last page was a question about using fuel. That is the TV version only. As far as I am aware, the comic has a fuel crisis approx 2 years after the collapse, and almost everything is horse powered by this point of the timeline.

   



herbie @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:38 pm

Well you have to let that go that hordes of stumbling dead zombies overwhelmed every single military base in the USA to buy the modern picture.
A posse of local hicks figuring it all out in one day like the first movie wouldn't work anymore.
Just as you must give up that everyone who grew up on 2 generations of zombie movies had to figure out one by one to shoot them in the head...

   



herbie @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:43 pm

Shit that's right. The first move the hicks formed a posse and went out shooting zombies, instead of first shooting each other and stealing their food gas and guns, raping and enslaving women and THEN worried about the zombies!

   



peck420 @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:45 pm

Bart,

It is fiction. I am just forwarding what the creators, and their most hardcore fans, think about it.

You and I both know that "walkers", a la TWD, wouldn't have stood a chance against even the 1% remnants of the US military forces.

I doubt they would have been a problem for the 1% remaining of the Canadian Forces.

   



Thanos @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:49 pm

Modern military bases aren't built like citadels with stone walls. They're just miles and miles of fencing and ditches. Most of them are also located close enough to large urban areas so they'd quickly get overwhelmed by the rotters persistently coming towards them after being attracted by gunfire, vehicle noises, and the smell of fresh meat. A European Walking Dead would have been an interesting show because whatever they lack in terms of firepower (compared to the US) the Brits and Euros have all those castles to flock to for protection, and most of those castles have a pretty decent medieval armoury as part of the museum. With swords, axes, and maces you don't have to worry about running out of ammunition.

   



peck420 @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:00 pm

A prison with a chain link fence was secure, but a military base with a chain link fence and tons of weapons/munitions/trained operators would not?

It would be easy to spot the military installations. The ground meat perimeters would be a dead give away.

   



Thanos @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:05 pm

The prison was off in the boonies and still had problems with the fences, as shown when they had to go out every day to thin the herd. A military base would be closer to urban or suburban areas and be subject to much more zombie migration. All that ammo's gonna go pretty damn fast if a base gets surrounded on multiple sides by a million or so eaters.

   



BeaverFever @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:18 pm

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Oh, Beave's just being silly and hoping you don't notice again.

Socialism is about redistributing the wealth. Capitalism is about creating wealth.

That's basic.

I didn’t knock capitalism, I knocked crony capitalism. The fact that you don’t know the difference is telling.

   



BeaverFever @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Thanos Thanos:
Negan runs an protection racket (give us half your stuff or we'll kill you) in which he provides practically no return of services for what he "provides". He is a classic robber-baron, with a one-way vacuuming upwards of scarce resources from the bottom to the top, all of which is enforced by brutal thuggery. This is about as perfect a description of a true capitalist that's ever been seen in genre TV. Well, him and the Ferengi from STTNG. Proud Republicans, all of them!


Negan does believe he is returning a service. He believes he is "saving" people. He says so repetitively.

Whether or not he is returning a service might be debatable but the fact he believes he is just as Maduro in Venezuela or tubby in North Korea does is not.

I haven't been watching TWD the last couple seasons but I decided to break my ban and watched a few on the weekend.

It looked like a new group of characters is being introduced. Isn't there this van of women traveling around making trades?

They might turn out to be capitalists. Even if they're exploiting a resource they've found somewhere.

There might be an interesting argument to be made there.

But Negan? No. He's a socialist.


The woman in the van was a one-off character, meant to show the importance of trust and compassion and faith in the goodness of human beings and blah blah blah.

There’s nothing socialist about Neagan he’s a ruthless Don Blankenship Republican if ever there was one.

   



BeaverFever @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:47 pm

Thanos Thanos:
The prison was off in the boonies and still had problems with the fences, as shown when they had to go out every day to thin the herd. A military base would be closer to urban or suburban areas and be subject to much more zombie migration. All that ammo's gonna go pretty damn fast if a base gets surrounded on multiple sides by a million or so eaters.


And remember the zombie: human ratio in WD is 5,000:1 according to internet and comic lore, and can only be growing growing so the entire population of the US was reduced to just 64,000 humans and 325,635,000 zombies. 99.98% of the population is zombie and only 0.02% is human. I think that would eventually overwhelm military forces eventually

   



herbie @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:06 pm

$1:
There’s nothing socialist about Neagan

Oh come one Beav, your talking to someone who's convinced himself Negan is exactly what a socialist is. I mean Tommy Douglas and Allende were pretty handy at smashing heads with a baseball bat and shoving your face in a forge, right?

   



N_Fiddledog @ Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:13 pm

BeaverFever BeaverFever:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Oh, Beave's just being silly and hoping you don't notice again.

Socialism is about redistributing the wealth. Capitalism is about creating wealth.

That's basic.

I didn’t knock capitalism, I knocked crony capitalism. The fact that you don’t know the difference is telling.


I know it well enough to know it had nothing to do with the conversation. My point was the "we are Neganites" in the Walking Dead are socialists.

They represent what passes for a government. They are about taxing the producers and redistributing the wealth. They redistribute it to themselves and to the labor force they've scooped up to support their infrastructure.

Now if you as a progressive who appears to be 'progressing' down the socialist highway heading farther and farther left (or what I call a Progressive Socialist) are wanting to emphasize with something other than the 'We are Neganites' or WaNs I'm going to smile.

Oh, and the women in the van most likely will be back. They said they would be. And yeah, they might turn out to be the closest thing to capitalists in the Deadverse so far.

   



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