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karra @ Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:20 pm

As most of you know, Air Canada is once again bleating and bemoaning and wailing and cursing the realities of life.

Robert Milton, CEO extraordinaire is once again, once again, once again pleading with the federal government (aka taxpayers) for a billion plus dollar bailout - this after losing nearly two billion dollars of your money just last year.

Victor Li, the man who would have saved the airline has hop, skipped and jumped away having come to the realisation there is no way the union stranglehold can be lessened. Alas, there is no future for this company.

It is simply another sinkhole for already overtaxed taxpayers. Somewhat like CBC and Bombardier.

Let this monstrosity sink or fly, and if it sinks . . . . private industry will step in and do it the way it should have been done originally - that would be the right way.

Let is loose. If you love something, let it loose.

   



Mukluk @ Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:51 pm

I agree 100%. Greed is a blinding thing, and the union membership is about to find out how good they currently have it.

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karra @ Sun May 16, 2004 1:51 pm

This space reserved for baggage handlers. . . .

   



GWN_Ronnie @ Mon May 17, 2004 10:47 am

Well the unions are going along with the airline:

One more Union to go

$1:
Robert Milton, CEO extraordinaire is once again, once again, once again pleading with the federal government (aka taxpayers) for a billion plus dollar bailout


Also Mr. Milton isn't asking for government money (this time anyway)
The reason they are trying to cut costs is because it is a requirement from Germany's Deutsche Bank.

"Deutsche Bank had agreed to underwrite an $850-million share offering for the airline"
Globe and Mail

Now personally I think Air Canada will be gone in a few years anyway, and this isn't really a bad thing.
Companies like WestJet are now flying coast to coast and they are taking market share away from Air Canada all the time.

So soon Air Canada won't be the largest airline in the country and it will be unnecessary for the government to get involved whatsoever because before they had to protect the only true national airline, therefore I think if Air Canada doesn't start turning a profit in the next few years they will be gone

   



CAGERATTLER @ Sat May 22, 2004 9:26 am

RE::Robert Milton, CEO extraordinaire is once again, once again, once again pleading with the federal government (aka taxpayers) for a billion plus dollar bailout - this after losing nearly two billion dollars of your money just last year.


This is an outright lie. Mr. Milton has stated he was not looking for any money from the government.

Why do people lie about things. Like what do they gain by lying about something?

The government should do some things to help out all airlines in Canada and it could do this by lowering the tax on fuel and lowering the security tax it charges passangers.

Milton has suggested they do this BUT HE HASN'T ASKED THE GOVERNMENT TO BAIL OUT AIR CANADA.

Besides he knows Canadians would rather the tax money go to real important things around the world like rebuilding Iraq and to hell with Canadians and their jobs RIGHT?

   



CAGERATTLER @ Sat May 22, 2004 9:30 am

RE::Now personally I think Air Canada will be gone in a few years anyway, and this isn't really a bad thing.


You'll find out when the other airlines have to pay the revenue lost by NAV Can and the airports by Air Canada going under!

That's a very big chunk of moola they've have to all chip in and pay!

Can you say up goes the air fares?

   



Montgomery @ Sun May 23, 2004 1:00 pm

If they cant survive without the constant funding them they should be dissolved. Im as patriotic as any Canandian which is why I DO NOT want Canadian companies surving unless they are surviving based on being truely competitive. They have to be able to make it on their own, or they are not worthy of my dollars. Thats what makes a company stronger, not bailouts, and in the long run makes them globally competitive.

   



CAGERATTLER @ Sun May 23, 2004 5:41 pm

RE::If they cant survive without the constant funding them they should be dissolved.

Please feel free to elaborate on this constant funding you refer to. Oh and could you please supply the proof while your at it?

Thanks!

   



Montgomery @ Mon May 24, 2004 12:31 am

The bailouts everytime its gets into trouble. Constant funding.
Read the news sometime.Or are you going to argue semantics and fail to ackowledge that Air Canada has been propped up by the Canadian government bailouts creating a false economy.Call it what you want, its an embarassment.

   



CAGERATTLER @ Mon May 24, 2004 4:13 am

RE::The bailouts everytime its gets into trouble. Constant funding.

I was hoping you'd provide the news storys about these bailouts.

I see you chose not to back up your outragous statements with the facts and the news article!

When you can provide the proof of such bailouts since A/C went private then we can continue with the debate. Until such a time we'll assume your running your point on hearsay.

I don't deal in hearsay I deal in facts and the truth.

And here is a little truth about Air Canada not being able to compete on a level playing field:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... TopStories

These foolish government policies put additional costs of almost $800-million per year on the airlines and their customers. At least $350-million falls on Air Canada -- an amount exceeding the $200-million shortfall Air Canada is currently discussion with its unions.

Ottawa should immediately rescind the Air Canada Participation Act which forces Air Canada to maintain three maintenance facilities and subjects it to stringent official-language requirements

   



Montgomery @ Mon May 24, 2004 8:21 am

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... TPComment/

http://www.rightpoint.org/aircanada.html

http://www.camagazine.com/index.cfm/ci_ ... a_id/1.htm

OMG what planet have you been living on. Its pretty common knowledge that there have been Air Canada bailouts.And according to the first article regulations have been put into place to protect it. Also westjet was refused entry into terminal 1 at Pearson aipport ot avoid competition with air canada.
You need to read the news more and do some of your own research.

   



CAGERATTLER @ Mon May 24, 2004 12:20 pm

The first article you posted said absolutely nothing about Air Canada getting any bail out money although it did mention other airlines in Canada getting bailouts.

The second article is written by a right wing nut who like you mentioned bailouts but never provided any prove any such bail out ever took place.

The third article talks about a proposed bail out that never happened and it will not happen.

Looks to me like your a typical right winger one right winger tells a lie and people like you stand up and swear it's true.

As for WestJet and the gates at Pearson those slots were already bid on and slated for Air Canada and W/J wanted A/C to give them up.

That issue was settled and A/C won out.

You're the one from another planet.

   



CAGERATTLER @ Mon May 24, 2004 12:29 pm

RE::And according to the first article regulations have been put into place to protect it.

Would you mind explaining how you got that mis information out of the article?

The regulations they talk about were put in place to hinder Air Canada by forcing them to keep three maintenance bases open across the country there by saving jobs and making the government look good!

The other part of this regulation forces Air Canda to supply bilingual service the only airline in Canada that has this forced upon them.

You need to read the article more slowly my friend!

   



Montgomery @ Mon May 24, 2004 2:22 pm

I just grabbed the first articles I saw since I figured this was common knowledge. Of course if you dont look for it you wont find it, really its pretty well known. I suggest you look again for yourself.Yor an adult I take it. Do your own homework.
Really the whole right wing this is childish, im actually a liberal but im tired of too may socialist programs ruining Canada.
Edit: An think about it, why would right winger be opposed to air canada if it were a profitable business. Or are some paranoid liberal that thinks that right wingers in Canada hate everytihng Canadian.

   



CAGERATTLER @ Mon May 24, 2004 2:43 pm

RE::I just grabbed the first articles I saw since I figured this was common knowledge.

IT'S COMMON B.S!!!!

Well that was obvious especially the first article that was explaining how Air Canada was being held back by government imposed regulations.

Here is the facts my friend. Air Canada got money from Ottawa only once since they went private. And all the airlines got some money at that time.

When was that? After 9/11 and the only reason Ottawa did it was because the American government gave their airlines billions.

Other than that time Air Canada has never got any money from Ottawa.

You are spreading lies my friend about something you very obviously know little about and it shows because you base your info on hearsay and rumours.

Here is the statement you made:The bailouts everytime its gets into trouble. Constant funding.

If this were true you should have no problem finding a story about when it happened and exactly how much money was handed out by Ottawa.

FACT IS: You could do neither! Because it's B.S.!

   



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