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Sunnyways @ Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:42 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
The alternatives for May seem to be narrowing to no deal or a very soft Brexit that retains access to the single market and customs union.


Any deal that leaves the pound out of the Euro will be no deal to the EU.

Because without the pound to help prop up the Euro there won't be an EU and the jerks in Berlin, Paris, and Brussels know it.


You’re going to have to explain that one a little more.

At the moment, Britain looks desperate for a deal.

   



martin14 @ Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:53 pm

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
They will have left the EU.



ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL


Yeah,
no.



Sunnyways Sunnyways:
You’re going to have to explain that one a little more.

At the moment, Britain looks desperate for a deal.



It's just a guess, but I'm guessing you dont look at long term funding issues for the EU.
Next crisis, they will need the UK economy in the Eurozone to survive.
Otherwise, they will bankrupt themselves.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:33 pm

What Martin said. [B-o]

   



Sunnyways @ Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:44 pm

The problem is the British government doesn’t know what it wants. Yesterday was an utter embarrassment. If it really wants a hard Brexit, go for it, crash out, but I don’t think the UK business community would be too keen on that.

   



Sunnyways @ Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:48 pm

martin14 martin14:
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
They will have left the EU.



ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL


Yeah,
no.



Sunnyways Sunnyways:
You’re going to have to explain that one a little more.

At the moment, Britain looks desperate for a deal.



It's just a guess, but I'm guessing you dont look at long term funding issues for the EU.
Next crisis, they will need the UK economy in the Eurozone to survive.
Otherwise, they will bankrupt themselves.


If you’ve got some expertise on that issue, I’m all ears. The UK isn’t in the eurozone. BTW I’m not the euro’s most ardent supporter. The eurozone has serious flaws that were not properly thought through at its inception but became obvious during the crash. Given that it would be very difficult to dismantle now, I believe it’s probably better to persist with it than to give up at this stage.

   



martin14 @ Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:58 pm

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
If you’ve got some expertise on that issue, I’m all ears. The UK isn’t in the eurozone. BTW I’m not the euro’s most ardent supporter. The eurozone has serious flaws that were not properly thought through at its inception but became obvious during the crash. Given that it would be very difficult to dismantle now, I believe it’s probably better to persist with it than to give up at this stage.


Expertise ?
No, I read stuff.

Maybe you have read the EU is pushing ahead with the EU army.

Maybe you haven't read the EU countries outside the Euro were recently read the riot
act about joining the Euro. They need the contributions to stabilize the Euro.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/80 ... a-Bulgaria

Scuttlebutt is Poland and the Czechs are quietly fudging their numbers so they
don't qualify yet.


Be sure of one thing:
If the UK crashes out, and the alt lefties run an election campaign based on the
idea to rejoin the EU as fast as possible;

Issue number 1 on the table.. the Pound.

   



Sunnyways @ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:43 pm

Talk about amateur hour:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 94481.html

   



martin14 @ Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:09 am

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
Talk about amateur hour:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 94481.html


Yup.

Mummy may not make it until Christmas.
Hell, she might not make through next week. :lol:

   



martin14 @ Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:46 am

I'll just drop this here. :)

Schulz will enter talks with Merkle to form a government in Germany.
So you can see what is on the agenda.



Germany's SPD leader calls for a 'United States of Europe' by 2025 and says any countries who disagree should follow Britain's example and leave the bloc

Martin Schulz made the plea in a speech to 600 of his Social Democrats today
He said: 'I want a European constitutional treaty that creates a federal Europe'
Schulz proposed a written convention involving civil society and citizens
He insisted only a more united EU could meet challenges facing the region


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z50afxFqDC

   



Sunnyways @ Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:46 pm

They’d have to go back to the original six of the EEC to have any chance of that proposal flying. It’s a non-starter in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe.

   



Sunnyways @ Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:40 pm

More problems for the Brexiteers:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... heresa-may

   



martin14 @ Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:17 pm

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
More problems for the Brexiteers:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... heresa-may



Brexit being betrayed by Parliament.

Disgusting.

Wonder what The descendants of Cromwell are doing these days ?

Seems time for another coup.

Or a few beheadings at least.

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:24 pm

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
If you’ve got some expertise on that issue, I’m all ears. The UK isn’t in the eurozone. BTW I’m not the euro’s most ardent supporter. The eurozone has serious flaws that were not properly thought through at its inception but became obvious during the crash. Given that it would be very difficult to dismantle now, I believe it’s probably better to persist with it than to give up at this stage.


Three years ago the EU announced a policy that all member states MUST join the Euro.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... -euro.html

And in the fine print of that particular proposal are the foundations of the EU as a national government and not just a monetary and trade union.

In the plan the EU would:

* Collect all taxes.

* Pay out allocated budgets from a single treasury controlled by Brussels.

* Make "regional transfers" (subsidies and bailouts) from the pooled treasury regardless of objections by member states.

* Levy new taxes to support the EU as a national government.

None of which was all that appealing to the British who wished to remain British and not lose their national identity to an unelected bureaucracy in fucking Brussels.

   



Sunnyways @ Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:53 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Three years ago the EU announced a policy that all member states MUST join the Euro:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... -euro.html

And in the fine print of that particular proposal are the foundations of the EU as a national government and not just a monetary and trade union.

None of which was all that appealing to the British who wished to remain British and not lose their national identity to an unelected bureaucracy in fucking Brussels.


Grand ambitions which I doubt will happen in the next few decades.

First off, the EU would have to convert the common currency area of the eurozone into a genuine monetary union and I don’t see an appetite for that among voters in any rich country. The integrationists may look strong just now but Macron has to deal with hostility to a federal Europe on the left and right, including Laurent Wauquiez, the new, young leader of the Republican Party who is determined to lose no more ground to Le Pen, and Merkel has to face the rise of AfD. One thing Germans are clear about regarding any big plans for Europe - they won’t be footing the bill.

BTW Remain won in London, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

   



martin14 @ Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:43 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
And in the fine print of that particular proposal are the foundations of the EU as a national government and not just a monetary and trade union.

In the plan the EU would:

* Collect all taxes.

* Pay out allocated budgets from a single treasury controlled by Brussels.

* Make "regional transfers" (subsidies and bailouts) from the pooled treasury regardless of objections by member states.

* Levy new taxes to support the EU as a national government.



Which actually would be the way to do it.
Much better than the current clusterfuck methods which only destroy.

But it is pretty obvious the people of Europe don't want this.

All the UK needs now is a snap election, a change of government,
and then Brexit will just be forgotten about.

   



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