Dealing with domestic Jihadis - Kill them
ShepherdsDog @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:08 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/isis-fi ... -1.4404021
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Even the interviewer seemed surprised at the answer Rory Stewart, the U.K. minister of international development, gave about how Britain should deal with citizens who chose to join Islamic State.
"I'm afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are a serious danger to us, and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them will be, in almost every case, to kill them," Stewart told BBC Radio's John Pienaar last month.
Stewart, a former diplomat, continued: "These are people who are executing people … who have held women and children hostage, who are torturing and murdering, trying, by violence, to impose their will. Our response has to be, when somebody does that, I'm afraid, to deal with that."
Those words may sound chilling, but they reflect a country that's suffered brutal jihadi attacks in recent years, and an understanding that jihadi returnees are a threat. Other countries have come to the same conclusion.
"I'm afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are a serious danger to us, and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them will be, in almost every case, to kill them," Stewart told BBC Radio's John Pienaar last month.
Stewart, a former diplomat, continued: "These are people who are executing people … who have held women and children hostage, who are torturing and murdering, trying, by violence, to impose their will. Our response has to be, when somebody does that, I'm afraid, to deal with that."
Those words may sound chilling, but they reflect a country that's suffered brutal jihadi attacks in recent years, and an understanding that jihadi returnees are a threat. Other countries have come to the same conclusion.
Except for Canada of course which suggests:
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Canada's Public Safety Department did not respond to a question from CBC News asking if Canada was taking the same approach. Spokesman Dan Brien suggested the government's focus is on changing minds.
"Returning foreign terrorist travellers and their families, specifically women and children, require the appropriate disengagement and reintegration support," he wrote in an email to CBC News
"Returning foreign terrorist travellers and their families, specifically women and children, require the appropriate disengagement and reintegration support," he wrote in an email to CBC News
DrCaleb @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:37 am
I'm torn too. Rehabilitation is preferred, but can they be?
Thanos @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:19 pm
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Stonewall Jackson was outraged. His entire body shook in anger as he looked around him at what had been done to the city of Fredericksburg. He saw the pianos and the works of art and the crystal chandeliers smashed and ruined on the streets. He saw elegant furniture that had been wantonly vandalized and the remains of elegant, leather-bound books that had been burned for kindling. But it was the churches – the churches – that infuriated him most. Houses of God were pocked with bullet holes and charred by cannon shot. This was a crime against God – a despicable blasphemy – and it very nearly made him weep.
Dr. McGuire, who was seldom far from Jackson’s side, shook his head in revulsion. “What can we do about this kind of barbaric behavior?”
Jackson’s voice trembled. “Kill ‘em,” he said. “Kill ‘em all.”
Dr. McGuire, who was seldom far from Jackson’s side, shook his head in revulsion. “What can we do about this kind of barbaric behavior?”
Jackson’s voice trembled. “Kill ‘em,” he said. “Kill ‘em all.”
DrCaleb @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:28 pm
^^ That's vengeance. They haven't hurt us directly, so do we need to just double tap them in the skull?
Or have they, like many others, seen the stupidity of what they were trying to do? Sometimes you need to keep a few around as an object lesson to those would emulate them.
Thanos @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:35 pm
I love dogs, usually much more than I have any affection for people. That doesn't mean I'm going to tie myself in knots thinking up ways to give second chances to a dog that gets rabies.
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:02 pm
Europe took too long to figure it out and now it's too late for them. We need to learn from their mistakes and face reality.
Call it hijrah, jihad or call it "Diversity is our strength," it's all the same lie.
The truth is we're at war.
What's the fate of traitors?
BartSimpson @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:27 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I'm torn too. Rehabilitation is preferred, but can they be?
The real question to ask is if it's your family directly at risk from these people then do you think the risk is worth it?
Seriously: Does this guy (the one in black) deserve a second chance and should he be living in your neighborhood or right next door to you?
It's a valid question because that particular murderer may well have returned to the UK.
BartSimpson @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:30 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Europe took too long to figure it out and now it's too late for them.
It's only too late for Europe to deal with the problem in a reasonable manner. They're too far past that point now and any serious effort at reclaiming Europe for civilized people will necessarily require some uncivilized people to stand up to the would-be colonists and conquerors.
Thanos @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:45 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Europe took too long to figure it out and now it's too late for them.
It's only too late for Europe to deal with the problem in a reasonable manner. They're too far past that point now and any serious effort at reclaiming Europe for civilized people will necessarily require some uncivilized people to stand up to the would-be colonists and conquerors.
And going by certain ongoing phenomena in Hungary and Poland they're also the same sort of uncivilized people what will have no problem wiping out the remaining Jews, the gays, and anyone else who doesn't meet the alt-Reich standard at the same time they clean out the Muslim infestation.
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:09 pm
Thanos Thanos:
And going by certain ongoing phenomena in Hungary and Poland they're also the same sort of uncivilized people what will have no problem wiping out the remaining Jews, the gays, and anyone else who doesn't meet the alt-Reich standard at the same time they clean out the Muslim infestation.
Not the same thing at all. Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic and now Austria are only refusing "open borders" insanity handed down from the EU. It has nothing to do with Jews, gays, or atrocities perpetrated against them during the period of the Nazi Reich.
If those EU guys facilitating the conquest by Hijra would like a possibly useful example from the WW II era though I'd suggest they look at what happened to Quisling.
Thanos @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:20 pm
So once again you won't take neo-Nazis at their word even when they openly express what they want and have a long history over the past thirty years of attacking EVERYONE they consider to be racial/religious/political enemies? Sounds like something someone would say who was too busy staring at Faith Goldy's tits while right behind her a car driven by a neo-Nazi in Charlottesville was mowing down protesters.
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:26 pm
Staring? I'm sure you meant 'worshipping.' Faith Goldy is a Conservative Goddess. 
But yeah, the governments of Hungary, Poland, Austria and the Czech Republic are all "neo-nazis,' cause Charlottesville, I'm sure. 
BartSimpson @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:32 pm
Thanos Thanos:
And going by certain ongoing phenomena in Hungary and Poland they're also the same sort of uncivilized people what will have no problem wiping out the remaining Jews, the gays, and anyone else who doesn't meet the alt-Reich standard at the same time they clean out the Muslim infestation.
Actually, a growing number of gays in Europe are starting to support the right-wingers (who are just anti-Muslim socialists from where I stand) because they realize that the Muslims will kill them off if the Muslims take power.
Oddly in Germany the AfD is strongly supported by...wait for it...moderate Turkish Muslims who value a secular state. They don't want Islamic fundamentalism following them to Europe.
It's also good to point out that the resurgent German nationalism started when Turkish Germans put out German flags after Germany's triumph in the 2010 World Cup.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 03533.html
Seems the younger ethnic Germans decided that if the Turkish immigrants could be proud of being German than so should they.
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N_Fiddledog @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:44 pm
However, if you would like to see something reminiscent of the rise of the third Reich T, you want to check out what happens when the European antifa get together. American antifa are children at playtime. The older, better trained and more organized European antifa are like a facist Army.
Thanos @ Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:45 pm
So the "uncivilized people" that were referred to were the governments of eastern European countries and not the skinhead types who go after Jews and gays with as much gusto as they go after Muslims? Check. 
You morons have no idea of how dangerous a thing this is that you're toying around with. 