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Not really.

Quebec with its roughly 7 million people gets 29% of the budget while Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Newfoundland, and Nunavut get 29% of it with about 10 million people. The west alone with 9 million gets 26%. I didn't even mention where the money is coming from either. Far more of Quebec's isn't even from it's own taxes collected from the province. Only the territories and a couple maritime provinces take more in from other sources than their own over Quebec's.

   

And remember, Québec gets a refund that is counted in your numbers, for programs we opted out of.

   

That is another 3.5 Billion I beleive.

   

I completly agree!

You should visit the Web site of "Canada Divided"
They have lots of arguments, videos and forums to boot out Quebec

   

No. The transfers for programs we opted out of is counted in the amount you posted.

   

Their behalf? More like our behalf, really. Cut the equalization payments and the support for separatism will shoot up to 60%, if not 65%. And chances are it would stay close to that for a long while.

The only way Canada could "get away with it", if that's a proper expression, is if the payments were cut right at the beginning of the mandate of a federalist party. Then maybe there'd still be a chance Quebec would grow silent in 4 years and decide to keep with statu quo, but that's a longshot.

And that's assuming the federalist party would stay that way! After Meech Lake's failure, the Liberal Party of Quebec -almost- turned into a sovereignist party due to the immense frustration they suffered, but their leader Robert Bourrassa managed to calm them down before it was too late for them. The same thing could happen again, even though I doubt we'd see any party really switch their idea concerning the province's constitutionnal future.

Numure: I have to admit I tried to keep it hidden up to now, but I'm actually a separatist, just not the over-the-top kind. I think Quebec secession would be best for both Quebec and Canada in the long run, but at the same time I know that's a thought people simply don't want to spend time contemplating. (I don't have anything against Canada either, in fact I really love Canada : I don't want to screw it, I just don't think federalism can ever work properly for an extended period of time in this country, if not the entire continent if that ever was the case).

   

If the Quebec is such a problem for the rest of Canada, why is there no canadian secessionist party?

The "Bloc Quebecois" has received offers to have representative outside of Quebec.
They refuse to stay completly a Quebecer party.
Why with all the fuss of kicking out Quebec is there no "Canadian Bloc"?

   

All I got to say is:

The Federal budget will help the PLQ.

Duccepe had the balls to say that no matter what the Feds gave out. they would call a referemdum. What an idiot

They should know that the ``perequation``subject, will help the Charest party.

So take it however you want, Federalism rules and Separatism sucks, There is no other way to put it really.

And separatists, aren't you all happy, you got the fiscal imbalance issue resolved. Isn't that what you wanted all along? Of course, you are still gonna keep on whining like usual. After all, isn't is what you are used to? But admit it, you got what you wanted, even Duceppe supported the budget, so there should be no objection on your part.

Have a nice day!

   

It's more than just the territories and "couple" provinces.


Let's sweeten the pot about federal transfers for each provincal budget since everyone is going crazy on the numbers.

From 2006-2007...

Nunavut - 93% of its budget is from federal transfers
Yukon - 86%
NWT - 75%
PEI - 40%
New Brunswick - 38%
Nova Scotia - 35%
Manitoba - 35%
Newfoundland - 29%
Quebec - 19%
Saskatchewan - 17%
British Columbia - 16%
Ontario - 16%
Alberta - 11%

http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/donstat/econ ... chap13.pdf

So, excepting the territories...the average transfer percentage is 25% of the budget, so I'd say Quebec is slightly less dependent on those transfers than other provinces (especially the first five).

Now let's go to number of money per inhabitant, using latest transfers that you just wrote down.

Nunavut (population: 31,000) - $28200 transfer money per inhabitant
NWT (42,000) - $19145
Yukon (32,000) - $17310
PEI (135,000) - $3510
New Brunswick (745,000) - $3310
Nova Scotia (934,000) - $2875
Manitoba (1,180,000) - $2855
Newfoundland (505,000) - $2715
Quebec (7,670,000) - $2380
British Columbia (4,325,000) - $1610
Saskatchewan (985,000) - $1545
Ontario (12,720,000) - $1540
Alberta (3,410,000) - $1540

Again excepting the territories, Canada average would be $2385. So Quebec is pretty much on the average and five provinces get more money per capita than Quebec. It's just that the transfer for Quebec has a lot of zeros make a lot of people think Quebec is getting a lot of free money and getting quite more than the other provinces. When you compare the transfers per inhabitant and its percentage of provincal budgets, Quebec is well on the average.


Actually, Bourassa did threaten to hold a referendum if there is no constitutional proposal set up to vote (which was the now-failed Charlottetown Accord). He was quite fustrated as well.

   

Duccepe is not as much of an idiot as you would like to think.
The federal buget will help the PLQ.
But it would have bean worse if he would have voted against it.
Cause then Charest would have said:
"The seperatist say they work for the Quebec but its not true they work for them selfs!"
"They say they were the first ones to bring up "the perequation", but they refused a settlement, this is very irresponsible!"
"They kept 2.3 Billons away from Quebec, they dont have the best interest of Quebec at heart, we do!"

And then at the next federal election Harper would have said the same things.
This was a loose-loose situation for Duccepe, so he took the lesser of 2 evils.

Cause now the only thing Charest can say is: "My gouvernment was the one responsible for getting the 2.3 Billions"

   

I understand completly, as I share the same view.

   

Yes, I'm quite happy. And just for that, I don't regret my vote for Harper at all. I'd vote for him again. Though I must admit, what they have given us is great, its only small amount of what we want. To resolve the fiscal imbalance issue, I would of prefered transfers of tax points (IE - transfer 5% of the personnal income tax on the federal level to the province). Would of been much more substanable in the long run, and would be fair for every province. By just giving money away, there will always be a province getting more then another.

   

Let Quebec separate and then take away the chequebook.

That ought to be fun to watch.

   

To begin with, that isn't all we wanted... and honestly, convinced separatists will never stop "whining" as you put it : the only way for them to get silent is if they get their successful referendum. That's why they constantly object. They say they want more money, but in all actuality, that's not what they care about.

On the other hand, "soft separatists" are likely to be pleased by the resolution of fiscal imbalance (partial or complete, whatever numbers you stand for, I don't think it changes much) and sit down until the next "injustice" (if any, and note the hyphens).



Well that's a first for me, if you exclude members of my immediate family!



Oh, we'd get over it... we're far from being that hopeless, really. If we get a kick in the knees, we'll react, we won't just lay down and complain.

And everyone, please don't say complaining's the only thing we've been doing since decades... I see that comment coming from miles away.

   

One way Quebec could react is by simply over-taxing all ships bound for Canada comming through the St-Lawrence river and all land shiping through the territory.
Bye bye low prices!

   

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