Canada Kicks Ass
Islam, Multiculturalism, and Sweden

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N_Fiddledog @ Fri May 24, 2013 10:55 am

I forget where it was, but somebody here was expressing uncertainty about what's happening with the Muslim riots, and multiculturalism in Sweden. Here ya go... It ain't pretty.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3729/ ... cY.twitter

It got me to thinking. Could this happen here? We don't seem to be bothered too much out west yet, but I hear disturbing stuff from Ontario.

   



maldonsfecht @ Fri May 24, 2013 11:23 am

I had the fortune of studying for a year in Stockholm while going to Western Ontario... beautiful city and country.

Unfortunately, the people can be very liberal as is the case in most Scandinavian countries and they believe they are doing the right thing in allowing such a large percentage of immigrants in relation to their population to come into their land.

Events like this will not get better until the system itself is given a thorough re-examination. Sweden is a very modern, progressive country with a long and storied history; immigrants that have no desire to learn and live as a Swedish citizen should ought not to be even considered for entry.

But then, that doesn't seem to be the way of things in today's borderless Europe...

   



andyt @ Fri May 24, 2013 11:28 am

Lots of good points, but:

$1:
The fatal flaw of Swedish multiculturalism has been to grant asylum to hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have no prospect of ever finding a job or making a meaningful contribution to Swedish society. Many immigrants are, and will remain, wards of the state.


Asylum seekers are not immigrants. They are not assessed on their ability to contribute to society, but no their need for asylum. That's as it should be, but Sweden, and Canada, should be taking in less refugees, but giving those they take in much more support and push to integrate. In Canada, at least, we need to way toughen up our policies in regard to phony refugees, and be able to get rid of them much sooner. But the legit ones we take need more help to assimilate than just welfare. Education, psychotherapy etc.

   



BartSimpson @ Fri May 24, 2013 11:48 am

RT has a report on the fifth night of muslim riots in Sweden:

http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-o ... fires-671/

$1:
Youth gang riots in the Swedish capital Stockholm have entered fifth straight night. Hundreds of mostly immigrant teenagers tore through the suburbs, smashing windows and burning cars in the country’s worst outbreak of violence in years.

At least six vehicles were torched throughout the city late on Thursday while the police called for reinforcements from other Swedish cities bracing for further unrest.

Firefighters were putting out flames that engulfed several cars and a school in immigrant-dominated areas of Stockholm.

The night before, the fire brigades were called to some 90 different blazes. On the fourth night of violence, youths torched over 30 cars in 15 neighborhoods along with a restaurant in Skogas, south of Stockholm. Three law enforcement officers were injured, police spokesperson Kjell Lindgren reported.

Stockholm firefighters were busy throughout the night, saying they had “never before seen so many fires raging at the same time.” Some 90 blazes were reported in total, most of them reportedly caused by the rioters. Still, the fourth night of violence was relatively quiet compared to the previous three, RT's Peter Oliver reported from Stockholm.

Leaders of immigrant communities were out on the streets in a bid to stop young people from rioting. Despite their efforts, as soon as the night fell, groups of arsonists took to the streets to set cars on fire. RT's Peter Oliver witnessed rioters throwing stones at police and journalists alike.

Civil disorder in Stockholm started on Sunday, when police shot and killed a 69-old-man in his apartment after he confronted officers with a machete; the unrest has since continued throughout week.

Community leaders insist that a main reason for the violence is the high rate of unemployment in immigrant communities, particularly in the suburb of Husby near central Stockholm, one of the worst affected by the nighttime violence, Peter Oliver reported.


Although Sweden’s unemployment rate is below the EU average, joblessness among those under 25 has reached nearly 25 percent. The RT crew in Stockholm noted that a majority of those taking part in the violence are young.

“In Sweden you’ve got welfare, access to the educational system – up to university level, you got access to public transport, libraries, healthcare – to everything. And still they feel that they [immigrants] need to riot through stones and Molotov cocktails. It’s ridiculous and a bad excuse,” Swedish Democrats MP Kent Ekeroth told RT.

“Police can put down these riots in five minutes – if the politicians were to allow them,” Ekeroth added.

Parents of the rampaging teenagers and community religious leaders are now spending sleepless nights on the street in an effort to prevent their children from wreaking havoc.

Meanwhile, the Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt blamed the violence on “hooligans” and said they did not represent the majority in the rioting neighborhoods.


“I think it’s dangerous to draw a picture of Sweden with a capital separated from its suburbs. I don’t think that’s true. I think the dividing line runs straight through Husby, with a majority population and then a small group of troublemakers,” Reinfeldt said.

But the Husby youth taking part in riots told Reuters they are indeed divided from the rest of Stockholm, struggling to find a full-time job with their Husby address. Most of the interviewed rioters were reportedly unemployed.

The claims of social exclusion in immigrant-dominated suburbs have been partly conceded by Sweden’s Integration Minister Erik Ullenhag, who said the ministry is aware of “discrimination in these areas.” But the riots “don’t improve the image of these areas, where there is a lot of positive stuff going on,” he added.

For years, Sweden – one of Europe’s most tranquil countries, famous for its attractive immigration policies and generous welfare system – has been accepting an influx of immigrants, which now make up about 15 per cent of its population. These migrants have failed to integrate into Swedish society, and are only in the country to enjoy the country’s social benefits system, Swedish journalist Ingrid Carlqvist told RT.

“The problem is not from the Swedish government or from the Swedish people,” the editor in chief of Dispatch International said. “The last 20 years or so, we have seen so many immigrants coming to Sweden that really don’t like Sweden. They do not want to integrate, they do not want to live in [Swedish] society: Working, paying taxes and so on.”

“The people come here now because they know that Sweden will give them money for nothing. They don’t have to work, they don’t have to pay taxes – they can just stay here and get a lot of money. That is really a problem,” Carlqvist added.

“The police could do so much, [instead] they have told the public that they mean to do as little as possible. But they could go there and use water cannons, they could not let people out onto the streets at night. There are so many things they could do within the law – but they don’t do it,” she said.

Young Muslims who enjoy tolerance, social institutions and welfare while living in Sweden nevertheless refuse to integrate into the West, Gerolf Annemans told RT. Annemans is the parliamentary leader of Vlaams Belang (‘Flemish Interest’), a Belgian far-right nationalist political party.


“They [Muslim youths] have always sought excuse to show that they are not agreeing with the basic values of Western society,” Annemans said, pointing to the recent cases of the Boston Marathon bombing in the US and yesterday’s beheading of a British soldier in the UK.

“It’s always the same problem. There is a massive refusal by Muslim youngsters of the basics of Western society... and they take any excuse whatsoever to show that with violence – that is where the problem is,” he said.

As rioting continues to rip through Stockholm, some claim the violence has clearly been orchestrated for ulterior motives, Lars Hedegaard, Editor-in-Chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International said to RT.

“Some people would like to gain recognition as stakeholder in society. In other words, there are people who would like to be in a negotiating position… that they can make things happen and go away. That they have power in local communities and should be reckoned with,” he explained.

“These riots in the country that are spreading and continuing for a long time that the [multiculturalism] success was a fiction, they never succeeded,” Hedegaard said.

   



martin14 @ Fri May 24, 2013 11:54 am

maldonsfecht maldonsfecht:
immigrants that have no desire to learn and live as a Swedish citizen should ought not to be even considered for entry.

But then, that doesn't seem to be the way of things in today's borderless Europe...


True enough, with all the borders down, official immigration means very little now.

Whenever you hear the UK talk about 'benefit cheats', they are really talking about
all the people who enter the UK, and stay.. they automatically qualify for
housing and money and health care and you have no idea...

It will change over, if it hasn't already, to which cities / towns offer benefits
to whoever, no questions asked.

They will drown in their own stupidity.


The Swedes have no one to blame for the last 5 days but themselves, and it isn't over yet.



Which is why the Toronto decision is a very bad precedent, people who aren't in Canada legally should not benefit from it; rather they should be pushed out at
any available chance.

   



maldonsfecht @ Fri May 24, 2013 11:55 am

Some images of the ongoing idiocy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330247/Sweden-riots-Immigrants-torch-primary-schools-Stockholm-smoulders-days-rioting.html

Nothing like torching schools to win over the police and Swedes...

   



Jughead @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:01 pm

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I forget where it was, but somebody here was expressing uncertainty about what's happening with the Muslim riots, and multiculturalism in Sweden. Here ya go... It ain't pretty.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3729/ ... cY.twitter

It got me to thinking. Could this happen here? We don't seem to be bothered too much out west yet, but I hear disturbing stuff from Ontario.

The melting pot approach that is used by the U.S. "generally" works. The U.S. accepts a large number of asylum seekers, and yet they don't have the riots, and issues of multiculturalism that you see in some European countries. So the issue here is not the numbers game, but rather the strategy that is used in assimilating the asylum seekers upon arrival.

   



andyt @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:01 pm

What Toronto decision, Martin?

   



andyt @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:02 pm

Jughead Jughead:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I forget where it was, but somebody here was expressing uncertainty about what's happening with the Muslim riots, and multiculturalism in Sweden. Here ya go... It ain't pretty.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3729/ ... cY.twitter

It got me to thinking. Could this happen here? We don't seem to be bothered too much out west yet, but I hear disturbing stuff from Ontario.

The melting pot approach that is used by the U.S. "generally" works. The U.S. accepts a large number of asylum seekers, and yet they don't have the riots, and issues of multiculturalism that you see in some European countries. So the issue here is not the numbers game, but rather the strategy that is used in assimilating the asylum seekers upon arrival.


No, the US had riots by people who were in the country for generations. And could have again.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:12 pm

they need to be relocated

   



maldonsfecht @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:13 pm

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
they need to be relocated


I hear they are looking for volunteers to live on Mars... :twisted:

   



martin14 @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:13 pm

Jughead Jughead:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I forget where it was, but somebody here was expressing uncertainty about what's happening with the Muslim riots, and multiculturalism in Sweden. Here ya go... It ain't pretty.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3729/ ... cY.twitter

It got me to thinking. Could this happen here? We don't seem to be bothered too much out west yet, but I hear disturbing stuff from Ontario.

The melting pot approach that is used by the U.S. "generally" works. The U.S. accepts a large number of asylum seekers, and yet they don't have the riots, and issues of multiculturalism that you see in some European countries. So the issue here is not the numbers game, but rather the strategy that is used in assimilating the asylum seekers upon arrival.



Sorry, you are 100% wrong.


http://features.pewforum.org/muslim-pop ... d%20States



US Muslim population is 1% of the total, Canada running ahead at almost 3%.
Europe regularly goes over 5%, most if not all in the cities.


And it is completely a question of numbers, whenever the local population gets
over 8%, they start making trouble.

   



martin14 @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:14 pm

andyt andyt:
What Toronto decision, Martin?


Not to question immigration status of anyone looking for city services.


Exactly what the UK and other countries do.

   



BartSimpson @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:18 pm

maldonsfecht maldonsfecht:
Nothing like torching schools to win over the police and Swedes...


Maybe you haven't noticed, but muslims are not generally in favor of public schools. The public schools teach that gays are just like everyone else and they also have a nagging habit of teaching girls and then teaching them in coed classrooms. Muslims tend to prefer their womenfolk to be ignorant and they also frown on mixed-gender classrooms because they don't want their boys to be provoked into raping little girls.

   



andyt @ Fri May 24, 2013 12:52 pm

martin14 martin14:
andyt andyt:
What Toronto decision, Martin?


Not to question immigration status of anyone looking for city services.


Exactly what the UK and other countries do.



The US too, re illegals. Not a good idea.

   



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