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You guys who got your alt-science degrees over the Disqus discussion board at Breitbart University don't stand a chance when you go up against someone who got theirs at an actual credible school and have spent an entire career working in their field. And if you're going to accuse others of cult-like behaviour then you just made yourself the easiest fish in the barrel to shoot, along with any of the other drones from the Church of MAGA.

   

Ah yes, way to lump the crazies in with the people fighting the real fight.

And you just recited the denier script, line by line. Politicised denial can only be met with politicized science. Only in the mind of a denier does the science stop being the science because someone gets evangelical about it. The facts have still not changed; we contribute to global warming, and the sooner we start mitigating that the less impact it will have and the less it will cost to mitigate those impacts. That's how the ozone problem was halted, and that's how acid rain was eliminated. We did the measurements, we theorized what they meant, we determined the cause and we laid out a plan to fix it. The only difference is the Denier cadre took a page out of the Tobacco lobby playbook and sowed the seeds of 'doubt' into a public whose attention spans are too short to dig into the details of the controversy. Science has shown a million different ways the problems we've caused, and the probable effects it will have.

Or is today the day you finally bring some contrary evidence or data to the table?

   

Patience true believers. You will get your universal faith in what media and political support allows you to represent as "science" when you produce something that's reproducible and falsifiable. Something that can be shown to follow the scientific method.

Until that time see where your blind faith and name calling gets you.

   

You're the last one here, even moreso than Bart, that should be saying anything about the alleged blind faith of others. Not with the record you've built up of credulous gullible insanity that you've hitched your wagon to.

   

Right back at ya, Bud.

   

80% of everything is crap. That includes scientific studies. Science, because of its self-correction, flawed as it is, tends to better to predict the future than other modes of inquiry though. It gets things right over time.

   

Between you and me over the years I've repeatedly shown instances of gross hyperbole, outright fraud, intentional deception, and questionable accounting practices on the part of the AGW crowd.

I remain skeptical of their general proposal that all climate behavior is somehow caused by man.

Yes, I know that when I say it like this the traditional response is to back down a bit and then say that man is 'influencing' the issue. But then the propaganda machine goes back to '11' and pushes the idea that man is driving all climate activity.

I'm not convinced. And when the childish reaction to my skepticism is to compare me to a Nazi or a Holocaust denier and then propose that people like me should be jailed or executed for heresy that doesn't exactly endear me to your argument.

While you may have bought into this you'll pardon me if I haven't. I'm just not convinced.

Not to say I won't be, but so far I'm not seeing any actual proof.

Hey...on topic...feel free to show me an example of global warming science that you've managed to reproduce and then get the same results as the researchers responsible for it claimed.

   

That's kind of a ridiculous request. Should we not agree on the higgs boson because we don't have a particle accelerator in our back yard? Should we not agree on the speed of light since I don't have a way of measuring that properly?

   

I actually had someone say to me that the theory of glaciation, provable by the scars that ancient moving glaciers made in solid rock as they advanced and retreated, was a fraud because "if you didn't see it with your own eyes then they're lying to you".

This is what we're dealing with now, from the flat-earthers to the climate-deniers. We're not going to win against that kind of stubborn double-down paranoia and outright stupidity. All we can do is ignore them and make them moves to leave them behind in the ignorance they apparently love so much.

   

Funny thing, you can measure the speed of light with a telescope and a clock.

https://gizmodo.com/how-the-speed-of-li ... 1138348467

Also, I checked and found that the Higgs Boson experiment has been reliably and independently reproduced numerous times.

   

So other scientists reproducing the results is acceptable? And I'm pretty sure the Higgs has only been confirmed at the LHC. I could definitely be wrong on that.

   

You've shown people's opinions, and you are understandably angry at some of them. I get that. What I have never done is given you an opinion that was not backed up by data, a study, or a real world example.



That's good, because no study I've ever read makes that claim. Influenced. Made worse. But not caused.

You might try skipping media sources that are telling you this, and try a few actual scientists who will never ever say such a thing.



Then stop listening to the propaganda! Science doesn't change just because some paid energy shill says it does.

You believe NASA when they show us weather and statistics from other planets, why do you not believe them when they show us what is happening on the easiest planet to monitor and understand?



Science doesn't care if you believe in it or not. If you choose to let the extremists form your opinion about facts, then you will always be influenced by those extremists. And they win. You'll also note, I didn't divide this into 'sides'. Us vs. Them. Left vs. Right. Science is apolitical, and should be consumed as such.



And yet, you've seen the proof but choose not to believe in it, because the extremists have hardened you to seeing it. Every day, there is some story in the news about some extreme weather event. Events that were predicted 20, 30, 50 years ago. Events we've never recorded. You balked when the prediction that the weakening of the Polar Vortex could cause some extreme winter weather events in the Eastern Hemisphere, and we've just come off the third winter in a row with extreme winter weather in the Eastern Hemisphere. Extreme droughts in Central Asia, the Western US and Australia. Years of monster hurricanes and cyclones in both hemispheres. Predicted, and happening.

And the thing is, we can't call them a 'result' of Global Warming, because there needs to be more data. These might still be a simple weather anomaly. But the predictions are that by the time we have enough data to know its caused by Global Warming, the climate situation will be so bad there will be mass extinctions. Probably including us.





Feel free to show us proof of your assertion that everything is good and that somehow all the greenhouse gasses we pump into the atmosphere aren't warming it.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

https://phys.org/news/2018-03-reveals-s ... imate.html

(you'll note the lack of any of the things you object to in those articles)

   

No, you are right. The LHC was designed from the beginning to have enough power to explore energies high enough to find the Higgs Boson. No other collider operates at those energies.

Others might have sussed the data to confirm the findings, but the data still came from the LHC.

On a side note, Sir Tim Berners-Lee developed this thing called 'the Web' specifically to share the information generated by the LHC in its pursuit of the Higgs.

   

There's no proof in science. Proof is for logic and alcohol.

   

And that's OK, because in return there's certainly no facts in religion.

   

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