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Fighter @ Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:46 am

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
The generation before ours sang that in school rather than O Canada. I remember as a kid on Friday assemblies, that we sang God save the Queen, The Maple leaf Forever and O Canada. Sometimes we even sang the Lord's Prayer set to music. The rest of the time it was just O Canada and the spoken Lord's Prayer(Protestant version) before classes began. That lasted right up to high school graduation in '84.


Good old memories :)

I read something new. Thanks for sharing your opinion/experience.

   



Fighter @ Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:16 pm

New trouble for India: China occupies North Doklam, with armoured vehicles & 7 helipads
COL. VINAYAK BHAT (RETD) 17 January, 2018

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New visuals show PLA deployment is close to last year’s face-off point and hasn’t thinned down as Indian Army chief Gen. Rawat claimed last week.

New Delhi: Almost five months after India and China agreed to end their tense military face-off in the Himalayan region of Doklam, Beijing has almost completely taken control of the northern side of the disputed plateau, latest satellite images accessed by ThePrint show.

The new images show concrete posts, seven helipads, new trenches and several dozen armoured vehicles close to the point where the Indian Army and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops were locked in a 72-day confrontation last year.

The discovery comes days after Army chief General Bipin Rawat said that China continues to have troops in North Doklam but also added that the deployment had thinned down recently.

However, new satellite imagery accessed by ThePrint from 10 December 2017 shows that the Chinese side is now well entrenched in the area, with heavy road building machinery still present close to the stand-off point.

The face-off was triggered last June after Indian troops prevented Chinese workers backed by the PLA from completing a road that would have given them fast access to the south Doklam area. The Doklam plateau is contested between China and Bhutan, with India also having a strategic interest in keeping the area demilitarised.

These are first images that show the extent of the Chinese deployment at Doklam – and indicate a likely permanent PLA deployment, retaining the capability to construct the contested road at short notice.

Troop strength

The PLA has occupied almost every nook and corner, if not every inch, of the northern side of the plateau. Google Earth imagery clearly shows a large number of troops and equipment in semi-permanent structures under camouflage.

There is at least one complete mechanised regiment of possibly ZBL-09 IFVs or infantry fighting vehicles. There is also a strong possibility of another mechanised regiment under camouflage nets.

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Two major parking areas have been observed for tank transporters of smaller size, suggesting their use for mechanised vehicle transport. There are, in total, two regiments’ worth of tank transporters on the Doklam plateau.

There are more than a hundred large troop/equipment-carrying vehicles, or what the military calls ‘B-vehicles’.

At least four large bulldozers and four tippers have also been observed. This indicates a clear intention of pursuing the construction of the road beyond the contested point.

A large number of troops seem to have been kept in tents under very good camouflage, but certainly not good enough for satellite imagery not to spot them.

The observation tower

There is a very tall observation tower, at least two storeys high, constructed with cement concrete less than 10 metres from the most forward trench occupied by the Indian Army.

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The elevation profile of this tower suggests that it can observe the entire Gnathang Valley from Kupup to Zuluk. The entire movement of the Indian Army beyond Kupup can also be very clearly observed by the PLA.

New posts

A large number of fighting posts have been created on almost every hillock on North Doklam plateau. These posts consist of double-layered communication trenches prepared for all round defence.

Numerous areas have been dug out, possibly to accommodate troops under camouflage at a later date. One of the dug-out areas is quite large, suggesting that the PLA will construct an extremely tall observation tower very soon.

Helipads

At least seven new helipads have been constructed with permanent cemented round bases. The diameter of the helipads is 25 metres, suggesting that the largest helicopters in the PLA inventory will be able to land here.

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Road construction

New roads have been constructed to cover the North Doklam plateau. Work is in progress to widen existing roads. Most of the roads have communication trenches running along them.

Colonel Vinayak Bhat (retd) is a Military Intelligence veteran of the Indian Army with vast experience of satellite imagery analysis. He has worked as a Chinese interpreter and is a specialist on PLA and Pakistan’s armed forces. He tweets @rajfortyseven

https://theprint.in/2018/01/17/new-trouble-for-india-as-china-fully-occupies-doklam/

This is Indian POV...I don't know what truth is but looks like Indians will face heat from both sides, now. Pakistan to their west and China to the north - not at all a good sign for them.

   



DrCaleb @ Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:27 pm

I was just thinking, "That's what we need, the two largest populations to not play well with each other . . "

   



Freakinoldguy @ Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:47 pm

sorry about the double post guys.

   



Freakinoldguy @ Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:49 pm

Nothing new here. These two have been playing chicken along the border since 47 so it's likely just more posturing by the Chinese intended to intimidate the Indians who are rapidly catching up to them militarily.

Besides posturing seems to be a way of life in that region.




And now for the rebuttal. :lol:

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:27 pm

The Bandits of Beijing are trying to steal more land. No big surprise here.

   



Fighter @ Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:25 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I was just thinking, "That's what we need, the two largest populations to not play well with each other . . "


Looks like someone wants population control badly.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Nothing new here. These two have been playing chicken along the border since 47 so it's likely just more posturing by the Chinese intended to intimidate the Indians who are rapidly catching up to them militarily.

Besides posturing seems to be a way of life in that region.




And now for the rebuttal. :lol:



This game of Chicken can lead to a war like happened in past: 1962 Indo-China war.

Well, we do posturing for guys like you who come as a tourist to see that flag ceremony :lol: :wink:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The Bandits of Beijing are trying to steal more land. No big surprise here.


The problem is India is not much liked by locals/people of South Asia...China is much popular in South Asia.

   



Freakinoldguy @ Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:58 pm

Fighter Fighter:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I was just thinking, "That's what we need, the two largest populations to not play well with each other . . "


Looks like someone wants population control badly.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Nothing new here. These two have been playing chicken along the border since 47 so it's likely just more posturing by the Chinese intended to intimidate the Indians who are rapidly catching up to them militarily.

Besides posturing seems to be a way of life in that region.




And now for the rebuttal. :lol:



This game of Chicken can lead to a war like happened in past: 1962 Indo-China war.

Well, we do posturing for guys like you who come as a tourist to see that flag ceremony :lol: :wink:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The Bandits of Beijing are trying to steal more land. No big surprise here.


The problem is India is not much liked by locals/people of South Asia...China is much popular in South Asia.


Take a look at the crowds and see just how many tourists are there. It's the local sports fans watching the performance and cheering for their favourite team. :wink:

But, I find that if you look beyond the colour of the old British Army pattern uniforms with extra accouterments, both the Indians and Pakistani's are using over exaggerated British Army Foot Drill to show off their military prowess.

It is definitely an interesting ceremony and after watching this you can see that the Raj really left a very large and indelible mark on the sub continent.

   



Fighter @ Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:58 am

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Take a look at the crowds and see just how many tourists are there. It's the local sports fans watching the performance and cheering for their favourite team. :wink:

But, I find that if you look beyond the colour of the old British Army pattern uniforms with extra accouterments, both the Indians and Pakistani's are using over exaggerated British Army Foot Drill to show off their military prowess.

It is definitely an interesting ceremony and after watching this you can see that the Raj really left a very large and indelible mark on the sub continent.


I agree with everything you said over here :)

British did leave their mark over here...From democracy to historical buildings/colleges.

   



Sunnyways @ Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:26 pm

South Asians should see how much unites them. Their true friends are next door, if only they could realize that. I hope they do before something terrible happens.

   



Sunnyways @ Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:31 pm

The most dangerous high peak is probably Nanga Parbat, also in Pakistan like K2. Here's a recent incident from there:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ench-woman

   



Fighter @ Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:27 am

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
The most dangerous high peak is probably Nanga Parbat, also in Pakistan like K2. Here's a recent incident from there:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ench-woman


Sad tragedy..I hope Polish dude recover sound.

Nanga is word of Urdu, pronounced in same way, which means, naked

   



Fighter @ Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:32 am

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
South Asians should see how much unites them. Their true friends are next door, if only they could realize that. I hope they do before something terrible happens.


Can't agree more with you, sir.

   



BRAH @ Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:42 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The Bandits of Beijing are trying to steal more land. No big surprise here.

The Bandits of Beijing have invaded Western Canada.

   



Fighter @ Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:00 am




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