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Newsbot @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:53 pm

Title: Jogger accidentally crosses U.S. border from B.C., gets detained for 2 weeks by authorities
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2018-06-22 07:00:46
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BeaverFever @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:53 pm

Kafkaesque homeland security paranoia. They don�t even regret the situation, they think the whole ordeal is a stunning success

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:17 pm

BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Kafkaesque homeland security paranoia. They don�t even regret the situation, they think the whole ordeal is a stunning success


You might want to read the story you posted. There's a handy detail that clarifies things:

$1:
Roman was held in custody for two weeks before immigration officials on both sides of the border confirmed she was allowed back into Canada. Then she was transferred back into B.C.


In other words, the USA was not going to send her back to Canada if she had entered Canada illegally. Worst case scenario we would have sent her back to France.

What's not said in the story is that Roman will now be denied a visa for entry into the USA for the next five to ten years.

   



Robair @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:28 pm

What do border guards get paid anyway?

No common sense required.

   



herbie @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:16 pm

Used to be if you crossed on that beach and they were there, they just crossed their arms and pointed back to Canada. You went. If they had to run down from the guard shack a couple hundred feet they'd take down your ID, tell you next time you were caught you'd be charged.

Once a friend tried to sneak down the tracks and made it into Blaine. They took him back to the border, screamed and threatened all the awful things they'd do and how long he'd spend in jail. Put him in a room, and one remarked about "stinky hippies" and opened the window wide as it went, then locked the door. Every 15 minutes one would open the door, look in, give him a dirty look and shake his head.
He said after the third time he finally looked out and saw the Canadian side only yards away. Gave himself a big "DOH!", tossed out his backpack, climbed through the window and made a dash for it.
The Cdn guard was pointing at him and laughing, he turned to see three or four US guards also pointing and laughing... all mouthing DUH....

We also crossed once not realizing it when we were like 17. Dark as hell, coming back from a party in Cloverdale or Langley and hunting for a gas station. Ran out on some 2 lane road and within 5 mins a sheriff showed up. He GAVE us a jerrycan full of gas and escorted us back to the border crossing.
That's the border I remember.

   



Sunnyways @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:49 pm

And to think that poor old Theresa May was once pushing the US-Canada border as a model for Northern Ireland post-Brexit.

Why did it take two weeks to sort this out?

   



martin14 @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:28 pm

herbie herbie:
That's the border I remember.


You can thank 9/11 and allahsnackbar for changing it.

Sunnyways Sunnyways:
Why did it take two weeks to sort this out?


To make sure it doesn't happen again.

   



Thanos @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:38 pm

herbie herbie:
That's the border I remember.


Back around 1989 or so a few of us went down to do some camping around Sandpoint and then some shopping in Spokane. I drove one of the vehicles and unfortunately got stuck with the worst dimwit* in our circle of goofs as a passenger. We get to the border of BC and Idaho and the humourless guard on the US side simply asks "you guys ever been in trouble in the US before?". I say no but doofus of course has to go into hyper-dipshit lightspeed-fuckwit mode and shouts out like a gleeful idiot "NOT YET!" at the guard. This did not go over very well. We get told to park the car and go into the office. The guards search the car, thankfully find nothing, and give us a cursory pat down inside before sending us on our way after about twenty minutes delay. A stupid incident but no big deal, just young un's being harmless dummies.

Try that these days and we probably would have gotten sent to Gitmo after a couple of years in Tent City, Arizona. The United States I remember the most fondly is gone forever. :|

* to show how dumb this guy was on the way back he bought a 40-pounder of Everclear for about $30 US and paid for it in American dimes & nickels that he'd been saving up since he was, say, about seven years old - never seen a store clerk ever want to kill someone as much as that guy at the check-out in the duty-free wanted to do to buddy that day; there's actually a bit of karmic justice though that happened a few years back - dippy-dee-doo-da won a free cruise to Jamaica (this fucker has had good luck throughout his entire life like no one else I've ever seen) but when he went to the Calgary airport for the flight to Miami to board the ship he got pulled aside by customs and was banned from entry to the US for an "indeterminant" length of time for a recent-ish marijuana bust he had around 2005; apparently he was so upset that he started crying on the spot; as for me I started laughing like an absolute lunatic when I heard about what happened to him at the airport because I figured it was simply karmic justice for nearly getting me arrested with his stupid stunt back in Idaho all those long years ago :lol: :twisted:

   



Strutz @ Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:03 pm

Good stories herbie and Thanos! :lol:


I'm surprised that there isn't a sign along the beach and pathway in this area to let you know where "the line" is. Otherwise how could anyone tell?

   



ccga3359 @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:49 pm

I'm Coast Guard auxiliary on Lake Ontario, a few weeks back we were looking for a missing boater whose boat was found east of Toronto with nobody aboard. We were tasked with searching along the south coast of the lake from the mouth of the Niagara River to points west, a stones throw from the US. Getting out of my bed at 1am to rush to the boat I didn't have my ID with me, no passport, nothing to prove my citizenship other than the CCGA ensign on the back of my boat. Our search pattern could have taken us into the States and they tell us that we have reciprocal search agreements... would have been interesting to find out.

   



BeaverFever @ Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:00 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Kafkaesque homeland security paranoia. They don�t even regret the situation, they think the whole ordeal is a stunning success


You might want to read the story you posted. There's a handy detail that clarifies things:

$1:
Roman was held in custody for two weeks before immigration officials on both sides of the border confirmed she was allowed back into Canada. Then she was transferred back into B.C.


In other words, the USA was not going to send her back to Canada if she had entered Canada illegally. Worst case scenario we would have sent her back to France.

What's not said in the story is that Roman will now be denied a visa for entry into the USA for the next five to ten years.


As I said kafkaesque. Why couldn’t USBP couldn’t just detain her at the scene and call RCMP to pick up her nearby family, gather her ID and confirm her story? Why does everyone they come into contact with have to be immediately swallowed up by the system and held in custody for weeks?

   



Thanos @ Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:17 pm

If anything it's just another issue that effectively shows that the right-wing "commitment" to fiscal responsibility is a crock. How much did it cost to lock her up for two weeks when handing her back to Canada would have cost them nothing? Word is that the lock-up costs per day for each illegal kid that's been separated from their parents and handed off to some scumbag private-prison contractor is costing up to $800 US, which is about three to four times higher that what it costs for state or federal prisons. So what is the real story there? That they're so incompetent that they can't even do it with a minimum of fiscal efficiency? Or, much more likely, that a large part of the reason these detainments are even happening at all is because they're creating the "customers" via un-necessary and illegal lock-ups for their friends in the private-prison industry, who are among the largest donators to GOP politicians?

Just another example that, when it comes to what the American right-wing extremists are currently involved in, it's the usual Mammon-worship as the greatest priority and anything to do with their vaunted "national security" is far, far behind in importance to them. It never changes with these Trump-grade grifters and it never will. This is how they think and behave all the time on everything. :evil:

   



Jabberwalker @ Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:58 pm

ccga3359 ccga3359:
I'm Coast Guard auxiliary on Lake Ontario, a few weeks back we were looking for a missing boater whose boat was found east of Toronto with nobody aboard. We were tasked with searching along the south coast of the lake from the mouth of the Niagara River to points west, a stones throw from the US. Getting out of my bed at 1am to rush to the boat I didn't have my ID with me, no passport, nothing to prove my citizenship other than the CCGA ensign on the back of my boat. Our search pattern could have taken us into the States and they tell us that we have reciprocal search agreements... would have been interesting to find out.

There was a time when both Americans and Canadians sailed back and forth across the lake with impunity (pre 9/11) I've raced up and down the length of Lake Ontario in long distance races going to where the wind was without a care to where the border is. That was never a problem in the 20th century. One of the biggest sailing regattas in North America used to attract 450 boats to the Youngstown Level Regatta every year, just a few hundred meters from the border. No more. That regatta has ended.

I"d like to think that all of this has somehow been for a good cause but I don't believe that closing the border on Lake Ontario has had any positive effect on US security, at all. On the Canadian side of things, the "clink-clink-clink" of smuggled booze bottles down in the bilges is now less frequently heard but none of us are any safer.

   



herbie @ Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:52 pm

OMG she looks kinda brown and is under 21. She's lucky all the cages are at the southern border.

   



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