Child Labour in Alberta
Hester @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:36 pm
They will be paid whatever the market will bear.
If you're paying $0 an hour, who will work for you?
The next guy will pay $1 an hour and get all your employees.
The next guy $2... and so on, till it maxes out and profits are minimized or even zeroized.
To the extent that big business pay their CEO's millions of dollars. They want the best guy, cuz the next business will pay them $1,000,000 more.
Blue_Nose @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:40 pm
Hester Hester:
They will be paid whatever the market will bear.
If you're paying $0 an hour, who will work for you?
The next guy will pay $1 an hour and get all your employees.
The next guy $2... and so on, till it maxes out and profits are minimized or even zeroized.
To the extent that big business pay their CEO's millions of dollars. They want the best guy, cuz the next business will pay them $1,000,000 more.
If you're paying $0 an hour, who will work for you?
The next guy will pay $1 an hour and get all your employees.
The next guy $2... and so on, till it maxes out and profits are minimized or even zeroized.
To the extent that big business pay their CEO's millions of dollars. They want the best guy, cuz the next business will pay them $1,000,000 more.
Heh, beat me to the explanation....
Blue_Nose @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:42 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
If it is abolished, nobody would get paid. Are you proposing everybody in the country get paid the same amount?
Everyone will get paid what the market 'decides' they should get paid.
Tman1 @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:43 pm
Hester Hester:
They will be paid whatever the market will bear.
If you're paying $0 an hour, who will work for you?
The next guy will pay $1 an hour and get all your employees.
The next guy $2... and so on, till it maxes out and profits are minimized or even zeroized.
To the extent that big business pay their CEO's millions of dollars. They want the best guy, cuz the next business will pay them $1,000,000 more.
If you're paying $0 an hour, who will work for you?
The next guy will pay $1 an hour and get all your employees.
The next guy $2... and so on, till it maxes out and profits are minimized or even zeroized.
To the extent that big business pay their CEO's millions of dollars. They want the best guy, cuz the next business will pay them $1,000,000 more.
Right, and this applies to 12 year olds getting paid minimum wage for flipping burgers..
lyonhart @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:45 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
blue_nose blue_nose:
Tman1 Tman1:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Should the minimum wage be abolished? Yes or no?
If it is abolished, nobody would get paid. Are you proposing everybody in the country get paid the same amount? I get paid minimum wage, if it is abolished how would I get money? Are you speaking about your experience in the U.S or what? I don't know how they do things down there so its not a matter of yes or no.
You're sense of economics is a little askew.... if a company needs workers, they'll need to pay them, or the next guy will. They'll also have to pay them enough that the workers won't go to the other guys. Granted, the wages that result from this 'balancing' of supply and demand may be lower than than the current minimum wage, but they'll still be there.
How is my economics askew? If min wage is abolished what indeed is to be paid to the workers who rely on min wage support? $20.00 per hour? Not that thats bad of course.
Not bad that is terrible..a friend gets paid 19$ an hour to stock shelves at A&P and ppl wonder why our food is so expensive NO NO do not abolish min wages
Tman1 @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:46 pm
And I also reiterate my original post which went unanswered.
$1:
Uhh it's against the law to be paid less than minimum wage is it not? Correct me if im wrong but if that is indeed Barts point than smack me silly I did not get it. What does Alberta have to do with anything? Have you worked in Alberta?
Tman1 @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:48 pm
blue_nose blue_nose:
Tman1 Tman1:
If it is abolished, nobody would get paid. Are you proposing everybody in the country get paid the same amount?
Everyone will get paid what the market 'decides' they should get paid.
blue_nose, no, no and no. What market?????? They get paid whatever the Provincial govenment SAYS they should get paid. We are talking about min wage are we not?
Blue_Nose @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:54 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
blue_nose, no, no and no. What market?????? They get paid whatever the Provincial govenment SAYS they should get paid. We are talking about min wage are we not?
We were talking about what would happen if minimum wage was abolished, which was a bit off topic. Yes, right now they get paid minimum wage by law.
I asked if they had to be paid minimum wage because here in Nova Scotia, for jobs like raking blueberries and picking strawberries (two jobs done mostly by kids younger than 16), minimum wage doesn't apply, because they aren't 'of age' yet.
Tman1 @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:59 pm
blue_nose blue_nose:
Tman1 Tman1:
blue_nose, no, no and no. What market?????? They get paid whatever the Provincial govenment SAYS they should get paid. We are talking about min wage are we not?
We were talking about what would happen if minimum wage was abolished, which was a bit off topic. Yes, right now they get paid minimum wage by law.
I asked if they had to be paid minimum wage because here in Nova Scotia, for jobs like raking blueberries and picking strawberries (two jobs done mostly by kids younger than 16), minimum wage doesn't apply, because they aren't 'of age' yet.
Ok I get your drift. And as I said previously, we got kids who hold up store signs and wave to drivers which might apply as the same thing but the whole labour force at 15 or whatever has to get paid min wage by the government and whereas Bart asked if min wage should or should not be abolished to which and I reiterate, if it IS abolished, there would be no money for the min wage people to rely on. I don't know where you get the whole market bit as I don't know how things work in the corporate sector since I in my entire life will never get there.
Hester @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:03 pm
blue_nose blue_nose:
Tman1 Tman1:
blue_nose, no, no and no. What market?????? They get paid whatever the Provincial govenment SAYS they should get paid. We are talking about min wage are we not?
We were talking about what would happen if minimum wage was abolished, which was a bit off topic. Yes, right now they get paid minimum wage by law.
I asked if they had to be paid minimum wage because here in Nova Scotia, for jobs like raking blueberries and picking strawberries (two jobs done mostly by kids younger than 16), minimum wage doesn't apply, because they aren't 'of age' yet.
Those kids are getting ripped off, cuz minimum wage applies to everyone except farm kids. Specifically children of farm kids. Report the guys who are hiring children and paying them less.
Blue_Nose @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:06 pm
Hester Hester:
Those kids are getting ripped off, cuz minimum wage applies to everyone except farm kids. Specifically children of farm kids. Report the guys who are hiring children and paying them less.
They pay by the bucket/basket that you rake/pick, and I don't think most kids rake/pick enough to make minimum wage... I assume adults would get paid the same, but no adults usually do it.
Hester @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:09 pm
I'm SO certain that they can't do that. You have to check into it. I work with two guys who were ripped off by employers when they were kids, working in garages in N Ont. Employers have to pay minimum wage.
I was a farm kid, my parents didn't have to pay me minimum wage. Your kid mows the lawn, you dont have to pay him sweet fudge all. Neighbour kid does it, he'll ask for $5, cuz if you pay him min wage, he'll have to claim it, yada yada yada...
BartSimpson @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:33 pm
My point in general is that if government is not supposed to protect children from being exploited in the workplace then why should government protect anyone from exploitation?
If government should not interfere when you want a 12 year-old girl to do (whatever) then it should also not interfere if you as a willing employer have a twelve-year old willing employee who wants to work for $1 per hour.
So stick to your principles!
Get the government out of private business!
And when I want to open a strip club in Alberta and pay the twelve-year olds to pole dance for $1 per hour you all be okay with it, right?
Hester @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:35 pm
THAT I'm not so sure about...
Tman1 @ Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:41 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
My point in general is that if government is not supposed to protect children from being exploited in the workplace then why should government protect anyone from exploitation?
If government should not interfere when you want a 12 year-old girl to do (whatever) then it should also not interfere if you as a willing employer have a twelve-year old willing employee who wants to work for $1 per hour.
So stick to your principles!
Get the government out of private business!
And when I want to open a strip club in Alberta and pay the twelve-year olds to pole dance for $1 per hour you all be okay with it, right?
If government should not interfere when you want a 12 year-old girl to do (whatever) then it should also not interfere if you as a willing employer have a twelve-year old willing employee who wants to work for $1 per hour.
So stick to your principles!
Get the government out of private business!
And when I want to open a strip club in Alberta and pay the twelve-year olds to pole dance for $1 per hour you all be okay with it, right?
Bart, tell me this. What is the difference between a 12 year old and a 15 year old who is a legit member of the workforce? Or 16, 17 year old? People are exploited all the time and its up to the kids and parents to teach their children things about that, and yes I know some parents don't do that. Do you want only people over the age of 18 or 21 in the U.S to work thus decreasing the amount of workforce in the country?
$1:
as a willing employer have a twelve-year old willing employee who wants to work for $1 per hour.
Silly as that comment is in NA, it is actually true in some cases in third world countries.