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More stupid shit coming out of schools/school boards? Imagine that.

   

So the lives of a few children here and there are worth it if it means this lady doesn't have to think about what she sends with her child to a public school.

How exactly does natural selection prevent allergies in the world of Canadian_Mind?

most of those aren't half as serious as a nut allergy - nobody with a milk allergy will go into anaphylactic shock from smelling a piece of cheese.

If this weren't a public school system, you'd have a point - as it is, public schools are responsible for providing an education to all members of the public. Don't like it? Pay to go to a school where you can eat your precious peanut butter.

   

For allergies that severe, yes, I agree something should be done about it. but going to the extent the school this members child went to is just ridiculous, which is what I am arguing against.

I knew a person who had that severe a peanut allergy. She died. Nothing the school could do there, as she was exposed to peanut oil in public

   

Well, that's good to hear, eh? Natural selection doing its thing means less hassle for everyone else.

   

But it would remove those with allergies from society, and it unfortunately does (see response to lily's post). Not that I advocate this, I'd much rather a medical solution be found.



No, but if cheese is the only other option because the child goes to a fish and peanut free school, and is a vegetarian, that sure doesn't leave a whole lot of options does it?

And funny you mention paying to go to school, my parents certainly do; taxes.

   

No actually, I was very saddened by it. I had a crush on her for the better part of middle school. Point is unless someone is living in a plastic bubble, they aren't safe, and the school is basically delaying the inevitable.

Now, if a system is built around people with allergies, rather than making the rest of society conform, it's less of a hassle for the lot of us AND ensures these people don't die.

   

Whats next? Tim Hortons have a nut free, peanut oil free, you name it free eating establishment? All restaurants only serve brown rice and boiled onions?

Precautions should be taken for people who have allergic reactions but the pendulum can swing too far. Maybe all the kids should be tested? If just a few prove "positive" then separate dining rooms and forced hand washing should be enough.

If 83% are allergic to certain foods then only brown rice and boiled onions should be allowed.

   

*waves*

I'm still here Lily. What do you want me to do, hang around here 24/7?

   

ah, kk.

well, did we ever really answer her question? or did we just bicker about whether food restrictions in schools are right or wrong the whole time?

Prolley scared her away.

   

It wouldn't remove the allergies - according to your theory, we should just be letting everyone die without medical treatment, as if this would consititute 'natural selection'.

Imagine being sick and being told, "sorry, we don't think you're worth keeping around, your genes might be a bad influence on the rest of us."
Why are they a vegetarian? You're just making things up now.

Regardless, any vegetable would be safe for a vegetarian - I'm pretty sure they don't spray carrots and tofu with fish oil.

Surprise, surprise, you missed the point - the parents of the kid with allergies pays taxes, too.
Delaying the inevitable? People with peanut allergies don't inevitably die, so that's a pretty stupid comment.

In elementary school one of my friends developed a very serious allergy and the school went 'scent free' - this was before that was a common practice. It was not an issue for us then, and now she's grown out of it and happily pursuing a degree in education.

If she grew up with assholes like you, though, who refuse to be "hassled" by the affairs of others, she'd have been forced to leave school and probably wouldn't have accomplished half as much. We would have lost our friend in the process.

Even if it were a big deal for us then, though, looking back the "hassle" any of us would have experienced is well worth the fact that she was able to go to school with us, her friends.

   

Funny how millions of kids over 100s of years took what ever to school and no one ever died from smelling peanut butter or tuna.. now kids have to scan their lunch at the door.. I wonder if its allergies or kids and moms just dont like the smell... same with odours from parfumes and deoderants... or maybe its cultural...
need lunch ideas.... how about air sandwiches?

   

My boss ate Sesame seeds and they took him away in an ambulance, turned out he was allergic

   

thank you all for your replies!!

I know that the whole life threatening allergy thing here is serious - I would never deliberately do something to put a childs life in danger. I know I need to grab some guts though and approach the school - I'm guessing more the parent council because my bet is they are who were most instrumental in getting all this put into place - the changes we (our family - and others I know) have to make are crossing the line from inconvenient (which I can live with and mumble in my bathroom to my hearts content) to almost unmanageable. I don't expect the school to suddenly recind (sp?) the policy but I agree that they are just as responsible for helping us make some choices here since they have imposed the restriction. I just need to grab the balls to confront it.


I think the thing that irks me the most here is that after all we as parents who don't have prior experience with accomodating such allergy issues go through to keep those kids safe - the school itself doesn't do its OWN homework and continues to allow and even promote foods with the same ingredients they have banned, for whatever reason (ignorance? inconvenience?). So then when we accidentally send something with an undetected miniscule amount of fish oil and the allergic kid has a reaction, its *those defiant parents* - but it could just as easily be from the pepperoni toppings on the pizza the school provides for hot lunch!

The other thing that confuses me about the big picture of severity of these restrictions is that the very thing they are trying to avoid by completely banning it all (nut dust or fish oil on playground equipment) could be transmitted at ANY TIME by someone not even from the school. The playground is not fenced off everywhere and neighbourhood kids play there after school hours and preschoolers with their parents during the morning while kids are in class. What if THEY had a peanut butter sandwich and didn't wash before playing on the monkeybars? And further to that - what about the kids from the school who have peanut butter on their toast AT HOME for breakfast and dash off without washing for whatever reason. The school can't control those factors - not without us returning to a more primitive form of government anyway - and the *trusting* parents of those allergic parents are still taking a HUGE risk sending their kids there if the allergy is that life threatening and the kids are that young that they can't monitor their own eating habits or ID yet. The issue is not really limited to *bad parents send fish/nuts or complain about policies* vs *good parents submit with best intentions*.

IMHO - if my child was THAT threatened by the smell of or breathing dust of nuts or touching 2 hour old fish residue, I don't think I would want to put my trust in hundreds of other parents to keep my child safe. What about the parents who don't even understand what this is all about? We all know at least ONE parent who doesn't quite *get* parenting - I had an FAS friend who was a parent and from one day to the next couldn't *get* why her child needed to wear warm clothes on a chilly day because she (the parent) was warm so the kid must be warm too - thankfully there were others helping her out....but the point is, do I want MY allergic childs safety put in her hands?

That said - my list of acceptable foods is growing but VERY slowly.

I do like the plankton idea though -

And I just might have to venture into other ethnic realms. Thank you for suggesting the TexMex - it gave me some ideas to look into that hadn't even entered my head.....which although it doesn't seem to appear as such, was the whole intent of my initial post. >.<

   

I've heard a lot about that - that there never used to be policies like that and in spite of it there didn't seem to be any huge *reactions*. I wonder about that too - my father mentioned once (he's 75) that they didn't have such issues as much *back then* either (note: he supports the policies). So we debated it a bit.

Perhaps it's due to the immunity issues - kids *back then* weren't monitored like we monitor kids today on so many different levels. (and rightly so for the most part - supervision rules have been put in place after watching so many kids crushed from playing on train tracks for hours on end when parents believed they were *just out somewhere playing nice* - for example). But we sanitize our arses off these days - sprays, liquids, bleaches, etc - and if we aren't subjected to those nasty little bugs our immune system can't develope to accommodate (sp?) them as well. Not to mention parents didn't get so wrapped up in "OMG my kid ate - gasp - DIRT!!!!" issues back then either. And I'm sure there are LOTS of opportunities to develope immunity THERE! lol!

Or it could be that with all the horrific mutations of viruses that HAVE learned to adapt to our immunities and morph themselves to get stronger carry more allergen triggers of whatever sort.

Or it could be that so many more kids didn't even go to school - especially in rural farming communities - where the kids were simply raised to farm. So even if they HAD an allergy, they wouldn't have been exposed to the triggers as much - if at all - and they wouldn't have been where other people/kids etc would have seen it or heard about it.

Or medical issues that were actually anaphylactic reactions to allergens were misdiagnosed as something else - so we never heard of it as such.

I don't know if that question could ever be answered *correctly*, but I do think there is something to it all.

Like I'm an expert or something.....

   

Okay - because this is a controversial topic by nature and people get heated about controversial topics - and then like to kick it up a notch when it doesn't continue on the grounds they expect it to - I will not take this personally.

That said - I WILL indulge you with an explanation - however needless it should be.

I have children. Sometimes they are more important than the internet - like when they are sick.

If that makes me a troll, so be it.

   

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