Wildrose leader apologizes for XL beef tweet
jeff744 @ Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:48 pm
Firepit?
Thanos Thanos:
More of a gaffe than a statement of policy. Smith was technically correct but said it the wrong way. The beef wasn't going to be sold anyway as the inspectors wouldn't certify it.
On a side note, how many people out there are under-cooking their beef anyway? I baked a steak last week for an hour at 325 F and it turned out awesome. Still juicy and not overcooked yet happily non-lethal. Is there a steak tartar trend going on out there that I'm unaware of where yuppies and hipsters are deliberately eating raw beef for the (ugh) thrill of it? The way the burger joints overcook everything these days the illnesses aren't coming from them.
Sadly I've seen more then one First Nations person chowing down on uncooked ground beef by the handful. I don't know if it's a culture thing or what but I've seen it more then a few times in my life.
Yeah, it seemed like more of well-intentioned affe than anything. Not a huge Wildrose fan, but I'm not holdig this against her.
Danielle Smith does touch on a major problem in North America though, the incredible amount of waste. Perfectly good food is tossed daily and clothes are tossed regularily.
In fact, before the days of locking up one's dumpster(s) many dept stores used to destroy their out of season stock before tossing it. This is clothing that could easily go to homeless shelters and the like.
Food from restaurants can be a little sketchy though. Most won't donate excess food to shelters and soup kitchens out of the fear of a potential food poisoning lawsuit.
Food that's been identified as unsafe for human consumption should not be 'fed to the poor'. Period. If it's not fit for the grocery store, it must be destroyed. I don't buy Smith's excuse anymore than I bought McGuinty's "I work in real time" excuse when he called for a low Canadian dollar and then tried to correct himself.
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Food that's been identified as unsafe for human consumption should not be 'fed to the poor'. Period. If it's not fit for the grocery store, it must be destroyed. I don't buy Smith's excuse anymore than I bought McGuinty's "I work in real time" excuse when he called for a low Canadian dollar and then tried to correct himself.
And that's why I don't believe everything I've been told. There is nothing really wrong with the beef, just that no one is willing to take responsibility if some yahoo decides his e-coli burger needs to be blue-rare.
I worked on a kill floor for too long to be bamboozled. The first thing that is done with a carcass is it's skinned in a specific manner so that the pelt is rolled away from the meat, and the surface of the pelt is not allowed to touch the meat at any point. That's a transmission point.
After the carcass is skinned, it is quickly hit with a steam wand to kill any bacteria that may have come into contact with the meat. Otherwise, as the sides are broken down, every blade that touches it will push e-coli further and further into the meat.
I know that if you bleach the meat then rinse in hot water, you will kill any surface bacteria. If you cook the meat to 75C, you will also kill any bacteria. This isn't a big secret, it's basic food handling safety.
And farmers will tell you, feeding corn to a ruminant is the first mistake, and once we stop doing that, we'll tackle this problem big time.
Thanos Thanos:
On a side note, how many people out there are under-cooking their beef anyway? I baked a steak last week for an hour at 325 F and it turned out awesome. Still juicy and not overcooked yet happily non-lethal.
$1:
Gordon Ramsay's Steak Diane
Nice when served with peas and sautéed potatoes.
servings: 4 people
Ingredients
4 x small sirloin steaks, approx 7 oz.
3 shallots, peeled
4 ounces crimini mushrooms, cleaned (if crimini unavailable use button mushrooms instead)
1 tablespoon salted butter
1 garlic clove, peeled
1 -2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce, to taste
1 tablespoon Dijon mustard
1/3 cup brandy or cognac
1 cup heavy cream
Small handful of flat-leaf parsley
Preparation
Using a rolling pin, roll out the steaks to flatten and cut off any excess fat. Season the steaks on both sides with salt and pepper. Heat a little olive oil in a skillet pan large enough to accommodate the 4 steaks in one layer. Quickly sauté the steaks for up to a minute on each side then remove from the pan and set aside to rest.
To make the sauce for the steaks, heat some olive oil in a separate pan. Slice the shallots and add to the pan, allow to soften briefly before slicing and adding the mushrooms with a tablespoon of butter. Crush in the garlic using a garlic press.
Add the Worcestershire sauce, then the mustard and heat through for a minute. Turn up the heat and tilt the pan away from you. Pour the brandy into the far end and allow it to ignite - be careful that the flame that flares up doesn't singe your eyebrows! Once the alcohol has burnt off, swirl the juices around the pan. Add the cream and allow the sauce to thicken before turning down the heat. ntroduce the steaks back into the pan and cook a little further depending on how well done you would like them. Chop the parsley and add half to the pan.
T o serve, divide some sautéed potatoes between plates with a spoonful of peas. Arrange the steaks alongside, spoon the sauce on top and sprinkle with the remaining parsley.
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Food that's been identified as unsafe for human consumption should not be 'fed to the poor'. Period. If it's not fit for the grocery store, it must be destroyed. I don't buy Smith's excuse anymore than I bought McGuinty's "I work in real time" excuse when he called for a low Canadian dollar and then tried to correct himself.
And that's why I don't believe everything I've been told. There is nothing really wrong with the beef, just that no one is willing to take responsibility if some yahoo decides his e-coli burger needs to be blue-rare.
I worked on a kill floor for too long to be bamboozled. The first thing that is done with a carcass is it's skinned in a specific manner so that the pelt is rolled away from the meat, and the surface of the pelt is not allowed to touch the meat at any point. That's a transmission point.
After the carcass is skinned, it is quickly hit with a steam wand to kill any bacteria that may have come into contact with the meat. Otherwise, as the sides are broken down, every blade that touches it will push e-coli further and further into the meat.
I know that if you bleach the meat then rinse in hot water, you will kill any surface bacteria. If you cook the meat to 75C, you will also kill any bacteria. This isn't a big secret, it's basic food handling safety.
And farmers will tell you, feeding corn to a ruminant is the first mistake, and once we stop doing that, we'll tackle this problem big time.
I understand that e.coli tainted meat can be eaten safely if it's cooked properly. Just like flammable children's clothing can be used safely if you keep your kids away from open flame or a car with no brakes can be stopped safely using the emergency brake. But since there have been product safety regulations, it has always been held that the manufacturer - who is the product expert - is responsible for ensuring safety, not the consumer. I am not an expert chef nor an expert in food safety but XL is (at least supposed to be) an "expert" meat packer with the necessary knowledge and resources necessary to keep contamination out. Cooking a meal for your family isn't meant to be a life-and-death excersise where a simple mistake or common oversight can kill someone.
And you know what? I like my steaks rare and I enjoy Steak Tartare and Carpaccio. And I don't think that has to change just because XL and the like can't be bothered to live up to the standards anymore.
Lemmy @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:42 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
I understand that e.coli tainted meat can be eaten safely if it's cooked properly. Just like flammable children's clothing can be used safely if you keep your kids away from open flame or a car with no brakes can be stopped safely using the emergency brake.
No, those are not good analogies. "A car with no brakes can be stopped safely if you put new brakes on it" would be more accurate.
Lemmy Lemmy:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
I understand that e.coli tainted meat can be eaten safely if it's cooked properly. Just like flammable children's clothing can be used safely if you keep your kids away from open flame or a car with no brakes can be stopped safely using the emergency brake.
No, those are not good analogies. "A car with no brakes can be stopped safely if you put new brakes on it" would be more accurate.
Perhaps. But my point still stands.
Lemmy @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:53 am
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Perhaps. But my point still stands.
Yes, your point is valid. Maybe it's the economist in me, but I still find this an incredible waste. When there's this quantity of a useable resource that can be perfectly and safely put to use, why wouldn't we? Distributing to the public may not be a smart option, but using it in a manner as suggested by Smith seems perfectly reasonable. It scarcely matters whether YOU'RE a chef, so long as we find SOMEONE who's able to properly prepare the food. It saddens me that a lot of people will go hungry who could have been safely nourished by this meat.
andyt @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:03 am
Our homeless aren't going hungry because we don't have enough meat or other food to give them. How are we going to feed the homeless once this meat runs out? Tell em to tighten their belts again? And it's not just the homeless, but many poor, even working poor, don't get adequate nutrition because their income doesn't stretch to cover rent as well as food.
Same with hunger worldwide. We produce more than enough food, we just don't distribute it well enough.
Lemmy @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:05 am
Pouring thousands of kilograms into the landfill isn't going to help either. There was an opportunity to do SOME good here; not as much good as we'd prefer, I'll grant you, but some good nonetheless.
Well, I see your point about waste. However if CFIA deems it unsafe for you or I to receive in any way, I don't see how we could write in an exception for the poor. Poor people are not lesser life forms nor do they serve as an alternative to landfills.
I see your point about finding 'someone' with expertise to cook the food, but in the end, wouldn't that just be trusting another company to do it's job properly, the same way XL was trusted to do its job? And what company (or insurer of a company) would accept that liability, knowing the meat is tainted?
andyt @ Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:08 am
Irradiate the shit out of it. Side benefit: the homeless become more visible at night.