Privatize Water!
So better they die than submit to evil privatization?
How about the cost of not dying... how much is that worth?
How much would not getting cholera, or hepatitis be worth to you?
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
PJB PJB:
Does privatization skirt government mandated controls?
Controls on what? Quality? Some of these people are drinking sewer water, for Pete's sake.
regulation on what the company can and can't do (e.g. stripping) forcing the company to provide water even to people who it might not be profitable to do so, preventing price gouging and discriminatory pricing.
The regulations, at least in Canada and the US, on private water sale are equivelent to those of municipal water systems. What sort of regulations other countries have, I don't know.
QBC @ Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:50 pm
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
So better they die than submit to evil privatization?
How about the cost of not dying... how much is that worth?
How much would not getting cholera, or hepatitis be worth to you?
Please explain to me why you think a private company will do a so much better job? Their first concern is profit, nothing else. Making profit off of drinking water. Sorry, just sounds a little sick to me.
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
The regulations, at least in Canada and the US, on private water sale are equivelent to those of municipal water systems. What sort of regulations other countries have, I don't know.
Third world countries are often pressured by the IMF and world bank to have absolutely none, because those might discourage business.
If they took the privatized structures of western nations it would be fine, it would similiarly be fine if they undertook the structure of public water in place in western nation that would be good as well.
The Laissez Faire water system which is imposed upon them, however, is a horrendously poor idea.
QBC QBC:
Please explain to me why you think a private company will do a so much better job? Their first concern is profit, nothing else. Making profit off of drinking water. Sorry, just sounds a little sick to me.
People sell food, too, which is also a basic human need. Where is this sanctity when it comes to food? Assuming regulations exist to keep the companies from exploiting this situation (as with most public utilities) it shouldn't be a problem.
As I stated in the beginning I only know the specific details from what Toro posted, but if the reasoning behind the dispute is that people don't like the idea of someone making money off of drinking water, I say go ahead with it. People are apparently already taking municipal water to the regions with no mains and selling it for 12x its original cost. That's 12x the cost to the people who are most in need of the water.
If the company can provide the supply at, say, 2, 4, or 6x the current rate
for everyone, I don't see that as being a bad thing.
If it doesn't help, then I'm obviously not in support of it... I could care less about the (presumably) economic reasoning behind Toro's support. I see it as an opportunity to get more people better water, which the governments aren't doing.
Toro @ Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:29 am
Thematic-Device Thematic-Device:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
The regulations, at least in Canada and the US, on private water sale are equivelent to those of municipal water systems. What sort of regulations other countries have, I don't know.
Third world countries are often pressured by the IMF and world bank to have absolutely none, because those might discourage business.
This false.
Toro @ Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:31 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
If it doesn't help, then I'm obviously not in support of it... I could care less about the (presumably) economic reasoning behind Toro's support. I see it as an opportunity to get more people better water, which the governments aren't doing.
I agree. Its not about dogma. Its about getting clean water to people. If government can do it, fine. But in many parts of the world, the government is unable to do so. The opponents of water privatization are essentially saying that its better people not to have clean drinking water than have it run by private interests. I have already posted a few studies showing the private sector has increased water availability, which is good, surely.
It's just really really bad when an organization would deny the people fresh water because of their anti-capitalism/anti-globalization ideals.
Toro @ Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:09 pm
Avro Avro:
Toro Toro:
Privatization of water decreases infant mortality! And some of you are against this. For shame!
Public health care reduces infant mortality rates and some of you are against it.......for shame!
Some of you care more about dividends than people.....for shame!

I've never said I was against government healthcare. I think government should step in and provide healthcare to those who cannot afford it.
But what's this got to do with water? 97% of all water utilities are publicly owned and this arrangement fails in some states. Do you think people should die because of dogma because that's what you are implying if you say "public water or no water".
Toro @ Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:21 pm
Avro Avro:
Toro Toro:
Avro Avro:
Toro Toro:
Privatization of water decreases infant mortality! And some of you are against this. For shame!
Public health care reduces infant mortality rates and some of you are against it.......for shame!
Some of you care more about dividends than people.....for shame!

I've never said I was against government healthcare. I think government should step in and provide healthcare to those who cannot afford it.
But what's this got to do with water? 97% of all water utilities are publicly owned and this arrangement fails in some states. Do you think people should die because of dogma because that's what you are implying if you say "public water or no water".
If you are referring to third world nations and not rich western ones with established infastruture then I agree that we must do what we need to do but all options are on the table.
This is not about profit, it is about lives which you seem to agree with.
Profit is what saves lives because profit opportunities attracts capital to areas that badly need it. I don't have a problem with publicly-owned water utilities, but in some countries, its not an option. In others, the systems are run down and dilapitated, and badly in need of capital expenditures where the government cannot or will not spend what is required to upgrade the systems. Thus, we should be encouraging private industry to invest where possible.