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Yeah, my wife too. She was very sick and went to emerg. She has a terrible wait of about 15 - 30 min, was seen by the emerg room doctor, sent upstairs to see a nerve doctor and in about 2 hours had a diagnosis of M.S. They contacted her family doctor and she was treated within 2 days, which took three days in hospital. She has been treated for the M.S. for about 16 years now. Fantastic health care.

   

Sure! April fools was two months ago.

   

Stats my son, stats. Look at the statistics on how well Canadians do in health areas, life span, healthy life span, under 5 child mortality rates, maternal mortality rates, HIV infection rates, and the list goes on. Canada's health care system is not, of course, perfect. Any means to improve it should be looked into, but the U.S. model of private, insurance based health care does not work well for Americans, and it will not work well for us.

Or perhaps you are one of the "it's all lies, designed to downgrade the healthcare of western nations." "A communist plot." Or perhaps you just think Canadians are superior to Americans

Are you sure you are not mtbr????

   

We have very good healthcare. The problem is not there. See Cuba: the healthcare is one of the best. The problem is: the accessibility and the funds.

   

By that I mean, the quality.

   

You are probably of an age to be my son, not the other way round.

Do you still believe stats and what you read in the newspapers?

The US government got away with mass murder claiming things that proved to be lies to the very last one, and you think the Canadian government is never going to resort to lies to achieve the bottomline result in a traditional peaceful way?

Statistics have been the foundation of one of my jobs for over 2 years. You can always get the results you want by using only the data that suits your case and dropping the rest off as outliers or whatever.

How do you think the unemployment rate is calculated and what do you think real unemployment is?

   

So, your about 80 then!


Unless someone can show me they are wrong, why not. That's how science is done. Someone presents data and others look at it, see if it's reproduceable and go from there. Just saying "I don't believe it" does not make it incorrect.


Translation please, not everyone reads the same blogs as you.

I agree, but you have to show me that that is what has been done, you can't just say it could be done.

And that has to do with what?

Sure you are not mtbr?

   

No, but I'm not a teenager either.




Do we live in a capitalist country or not? Isn't it all about money? I've been in a few organizations and the bottom line is measured in $$$$$. Nothing else matters. You look at all the ads in the newspapers that are obvious lies and you may be sure that the data you find in there is equally crappy. Some people think the number is correct because it is a number. No, I do not believe numbers. I believe my senses.





This is my example on how statistical data can be distorted. Unemployment is measured on the basis of EI claims, not on the number of jobless people looking for work.



translation please

   

Well, I was born in 1949, so, statistics tell me you need to be about 80 to be my father.


In some ways, yes, we do live in a capitalist country. However, many of the really good things about Canada have come, not from capitalism but from a collective effort to provide some service for everyone. Our healthcare system is one of those. If you think that only money matters, I feel sorry for you. Like I said about statistics, you would need to provide me with something that counters the argument that Canadians are well served by its public healthcare systems before I would consider your arguments. Just saying it isn't so does not make an argument, it's just an opinion. Our senses are just anecdotal evidence which unless quantified, mean nothing. It is like saying that a person I know robbed a bank and therefore everyone robs banks.




OK, I see, but it's is irrelevant to the arguments given. You are still required to find evidence that counters what I said about the state of health for Canadians.



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You had to be there to understand.

   

OK, I'm new to this forum so it may be different from most other forums. I was born in 1971. Sorry, Dad!

I'm not sure where you live and what health service you get, so as I said I base my opinions on my own experience.

1. I told you the story of my heel. The problem is still there now almost a year later.

2. My son. We were in Ontario at the time and my son was coughing badly. The doctor then decided it was asthma and prescribed a puffer. The bloody thing never helped but after my son moved back home his cough misteriously disappeared. Now four years later he comes to BC and two weeks ago he started coughing again. I took him to a walk-in clinic where I was asked if he has had asthma before. I mentioned his condition in Ontario and he was promptly prescribed a new puffer. The very next day, before picking up the puffer he got worse and I took him to emergency. His condition was so bad....We quickly went through the triage nurse, the second nurse and began waiting to be called inside. Two hours later we were still sitting in a line with 20 other patients. I asked the nurses if we had the time to leave the hospital and grab some food outside. They replied there were 15 guys ahead of us and that we cannot leave the hospital. What they did though was bringing us food - sandwiches, juice and yoghurt. Before we could finish the food off we were called inside (getting priority over those 15 other patients). The new doctor, before examining my son, asked if my son has had asthma in the past. This time I gave him a silly look and said "No". Now he came up with a "viral bronchitus" diagnosis. "Good!"-I thought. We were prescribed codein (or codeum) to suppress the cough, and my son got well by himself in the next 2 days. None of us think he has ever had asthma and this is something we will prove this week hopefully.

3. My wife....it's a much longer story I do not want to start

We are here to just share opinions and present facts from our lives.
I do not get paid to slam or promote any cause or company and what I post is only intended to present a viewpoint while looking for the truth.

   

And I think you seem to have gotten quite good care. One of the problems with health care in the U.S. and why it costs so much is the cost of insurance for doctors.
A doctor does not get sued for doing things his patients like. I have also known people in the U.S. (not heard about them, but known...) who, when the "time" on their health insurance ran out, be wheeled, in terrible health, out of the hospital and sent home to die.

   

No We did not get good health care as it is obvious from my stories. Or should I be gratefull for the free meal and getting ahead of 15 guys?

Fifeboy, was it you who gave me the 20% warning with no explanation?

   

I have no power to give anything but rep points and if I was to it would show up on your profile. As far as I know it's moderators only who can give warnings. PM the moderator and ask.

And yes, you did get good health care. Bad healthcare would have cost you several hundred dollars for nothing more than what you got. Your thorn problem is not life threatening. Your sons condition was more serious and and thankfully he was pushed to the front of the line. That is what anyone in emerg should expect. Misdiagnosing asthma is quit common and not a peculiarity of the Canadian healthcare system. Codeine is a cough suppressant and does nothing to cure a viral disease.

Edit: See the Forum Extras, Mod Log. It appears Scape gave you the warning and I am sure will respond to a PM.

   

OK, I'll be using thicker socks for one more year and hopefully the lump does not get bigger.....
By the looks of it, it was MrCaleb who threw the rock in my garden for no apparent reason.

   

Wrong. Statistics Canada doesn't consult EI when it measures unemployment.

   

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