Canada Kicks Ass
Canadians as a "Nation" within a NA Union?

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tritium @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:54 am

USCAdad USCAdad:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
USCAdad USCAdad:
It's from the longer article but focusses on the loss of and danger to canadian Soveriegnty from 'merica.


You should re-read it then. It's about the loss of Canadian, American and Mexican Soveriegnty from big business, and former legislators and former intellegence heads who are working on an EU like structure behind our backs.


Is your point that it effects the soveriegnty of all the nations involved? Sure it does. It's a bad idea from all sides.

I've been farely active on the UNA board for a while. I'm familiar with a lot of this.


What is wrong with you people here. (Liberals) Do you think you're going to get Ass Raped by the United States any more than you already are.

Canada is so influences by American culture already, what harm will an EU style North America do. NOTHING!!!

It is better for security, ease of travel between the countries and of workers.

It will stabilize our over priced economy.

I for one am all for it!!

   



RUEZ @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:11 am

tritium tritium:
What is wrong with you people here. (Liberals) Do you think you're going to get Ass Raped by the United States any more than you already are.

Canada is so influences by American culture already, what harm will an EU style North America do. NOTHING!!!

It is better for security, ease of travel between the countries and of workers.

It will stabilize our over priced economy.

I for one am all for it!!
The Liberals on this forum define their patriotism by how strongly they can hate the U.S.

   



Canadian_Mind @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:11 am

I for one am to used to seeing the international borders on the map where they currently are. I also don't want the yanks getting a free hand on our resources which our ancestors civilly acquired for us, not the USA. I know that for the most part they already do, but I wish we'd reverse that.

RUEZ RUEZ:
tritium tritium:
What is wrong with you people here. (Liberals) Do you think you're going to get Ass Raped by the United States any more than you already are.

Canada is so influences by American culture already, what harm will an EU style North America do. NOTHING!!!

It is better for security, ease of travel between the countries and of workers.

It will stabilize our over priced economy.

I for one am all for it!!
The Liberals on this forum define their patriotism by how strongly they can hate the U.S.


certainly seems that way, and everytime the United North America issue comes up, I can't really blame us either.

   



tritium @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:24 am

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
I for one am to used to seeing the international borders on the map where they currently are.


Has the EU changed any of those international borders overseas??

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
I also don't want the yanks getting a free hand on our resources which our ancestors civilly acquired for us, not the USA.


They already have a Free Hand on our resources. Why do you think there is such a rich economy in Alberta??

Yes, yes... the Big U.S. Oil companies are in Canada drilling for Oil and Gas and shipping it to the United States.

They refine the oil and sell the gasoline back to Canada at inflated rates. :lol: Owned!

   



RUEZ @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:43 am

tritium tritium:
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
I also don't want the yanks getting a free hand on our resources which our ancestors civilly acquired for us, not the USA.


They already have a Free Hand on our resources. Why do you think there is such a rich economy in Alberta??

Yes, yes... the Big U.S. Oil companies are in Canada drilling for Oil and Gas and shipping it to the United States.

They refine the oil and sell the gasoline back to Canada at inflated rates. :lol: Owned!
A good point I believe a U.S. company has just as much access to Canadian resources as a Canadian one would. All they have to do is do the exploration, fill out the right paperwork, and pay the right fees.

   



Canadian_Mind @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:47 am

tritium tritium:
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
I for one am to used to seeing the international borders on the map where they currently are.


Has the EU changed any of those international borders overseas??

Image

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
I also don't want the yanks getting a free hand on our resources which our ancestors civilly acquired for us, not the USA.


They already have a Free Hand on our resources. Why do you think there is such a rich economy in Alberta??

Yes, yes... the Big U.S. Oil companies are in Canada drilling for Oil and Gas and shipping it to the United States.

They refine the oil and sell the gasoline back to Canada at inflated rates. :lol: Owned!


You missed the last part of that paragraph my freind: "I know that for the most part they already do, but I wish we'd reverse that."

If we enter a United North America, there would no longer exist the opportunity to reverse americas free hand in canada.

Because of the EU I see each european country as a Nation-state within a United Europe, as far as I'm concerned once i enter the EU I enter a country. and going between the nations of the EU like going between the provinces of Canada or the states of America.

   



tritium @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:57 am

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
tritium tritium:
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
I for one am to used to seeing the international borders on the map where they currently are.


Has the EU changed any of those international borders overseas??

Image

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
I also don't want the yanks getting a free hand on our resources which our ancestors civilly acquired for us, not the USA.


They already have a Free Hand on our resources. Why do you think there is such a rich economy in Alberta??

Yes, yes... the Big U.S. Oil companies are in Canada drilling for Oil and Gas and shipping it to the United States.

They refine the oil and sell the gasoline back to Canada at inflated rates. :lol: Owned!


You missed the last part of that paragraph my freind: "I know that for the most part they already do, but I wish we'd reverse that."

If we enter a United North America, there would no longer exist the opportunity to reverse americas free hand in canada.

Because of the EU I see each european country as a Nation-state within a United Europe, as far as I'm concerned once i enter the EU I enter a country. and going between the nations of the EU like going between the provinces of Canada or the states of America.


I don't get you Liberals. Is it the pot?? It's seems you all live on cloud 9 or something. This is the real world we live in, and as much as you don't want to admit it, Big Business runs our Economy.

Without free trade, free movement of goods and workers, guess what, you have no economy.

I am all for a United North America and more Free Trade between more countries in Europe and Asia.

   



USCAdad @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:21 am

How lovely, lemming Conservatives. There is, or at least used to be, more to Conservatism than Neocons and Theocrats. Acusing someone advocating small governments and State rights for being a liberal because they don't support some overarching Clintonian political structure takes the cake. So what do all you "real" Conservatives advocate? Selling out to the US, abdocating Canada's borders, giving control of our local political institutions and standards to multinationals? Yup, if this is the case I'm a liberal.... good luck selling the platform.

And people wonder why PCs whent to the Libs and Libertarians to the Dems. :roll: Yup, you guys and Coulter can keep your new definitions of the terms. It's time for "c"onservatives to find or make another party.

   



DrCaleb @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:35 pm

RUEZ RUEZ:
The Liberals on this forum define their patriotism by how strongly they can hate the U.S.


All Neocons play the 'Anti US' card whenever they want to sell the empty husk that is Canada for enough money to finally bury her in the name of 'Free Trade', 'Free movement of goods' and 'Free movement of workers'.

Guess what? 'Free trade' and 'Free movement of goods' doesn't exist between inequal partners, as demonstrated by Mad Cow, and Softwood Lumber (or corn, or the Auto Pact . . .) . Free movement of workers . . to India and Mexico and China has been the norm. So much so, that Indian companies are overstretched and looking to hire NA workers to fill the gaps. How's that for irony?

If the NAU is such a good idea, why did my above Banff guest list include someone from the 'International Center on Nonviolent Conflict'? Why aren't these discussions held openly? Why are members of all three countries militaries meeting with oil executives and former spooks and politicians?

   



Scrappy @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:51 pm

Thanks USCAdad, I've read a fair bit on this and frankly it's plucking scary.

   



RUEZ @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:50 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
RUEZ RUEZ:
The Liberals on this forum define their patriotism by how strongly they can hate the U.S.


Neocons
LOL Neocon, I love those stupid made up words.

   



USCAdad @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:29 pm

I bet you do..... Unless you're the French language police. You're not one of those too?

   



Ruxpercnd @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:34 pm

The State of Texas was at one time an independent republic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas

Even now Texas flys the old flag of the Republic as their state flag. And certainly, Texas maintains an "attitude".

So, using that as an example, I think the Canadian Flag will always fly, no matter what the technicalities of political affiliation. And for sure Canadians will always have their "attitude".

So why not recognize that we North Americans have more in common than differnces and that international border is just an inconvenience?

Oh yea... interesting that the average Canadian doesn't get much in the way of royalty payments for Canada's resources. I believe that when Alaska was gushing with oil, that Alaskans got payments, the Alaska Native Tribes got billions. Any payments like that in Canada?

   



Scrappy @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:49 pm

Nope no payments of cash when I lived in NFL but I did watch the oil industry flourish and make millions while the province (thanks to the feds) got a pittance in royalties. I agree we North Americans have much in common, my ancestors came from Scotland one brother went to NFL one to Cape Bretain and one to Boston. Many Canadians have distant relatives in the states. We are like sisters/brothers in many aspects of our culture. Only the mericans have better all-you-can-eat buffets. I really don't understand why the younger generation is so hatefilled against the US without them our Army wouldn't be able to do the job it is currently doing. How we gonna get our troops to Afghanistan? Navy, nope. AirForce choke nope, we need big brother.

   



tritium @ Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:11 pm

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
The State of Texas was at one time an independent republic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas

Even now Texas flys the old flag of the Republic as their state flag. And certainly, Texas maintains an "attitude".

So, using that as an example, I think the Canadian Flag will always fly, no matter what the technicalities of political affiliation. And for sure Canadians will always have their "attitude".

So why not recognize that we North Americans have more in common than differnces and that international border is just an inconvenience?

Oh yea... interesting that the average Canadian doesn't get much in the way of royalty payments for Canada's resources. I believe that when Alaska was gushing with oil, that Alaskans got payments, the Alaska Native Tribes got billions. Any payments like that in Canada?



10/10 Great post.

   



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