To the indictors and the Raved...
Madman @ Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:53 pm
So if the UN had hidden them why has the US not uncovered it?,
Total load of BS, the would not the precious US be all over exposing it?
why has this story stayed on the back burner? probally because it not true.
frankly you are so ecentric any crap like that you post(which i did read) I am probally not going to belive.
Even if they had miniscule wmd, they posed no threat to the US, there wasn't any terrorist cells in iraq that posed any threat to the US, even if there was, they did not have acsess to them(which they did have anyway)
it funnt to watch the pre-9/11 interviews about iraq, when all of the admin was saying iraq is no problem, all under control, talk about flip-flop
Frankly the iraqi's can do whatever they want to defend their land, IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE US. They have an inferior army/militia so they need to fight like that, and it seems it works better that direct conflict in which they would be slaughtered
Again all these problems were not happening before the US F&%!'d it all up
you are increadibly dense, the US admin. has said iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, or have they ever implicated them in other attacks. Are you ignoring facts?
don't go on about the culture of hate, It makes you a complete hypocrit, what are you doing, all but endorsing genocide of another race
its funny "Attack iraq,they did not do anything, just ignor that, we will teach them good" basically the situation of misinformed crap that people like yourself are pumping out.
The US would not take so much flak if they stopped F#$%ing up other countries so often for their own benifit
saddam-put him in power, gave him weapons to kill other people(as well as iran on the other side)
alqueda, trained tham, armed them, then screwed them(wonder why they are pissed?)
taliban, came from mujahdeen(sp), again us did all ov above case
the US is a major menber of the UN, go ahead and call them corupt
its must be nice to be able to ignore the facts to make yourself feel right and noble.
human @ Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:13 am
Madman,
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So if the UN had hidden them why has the US not uncovered it?,
Total load of BS, the would not the precious US be all over exposing it?
why has this story stayed on the back burner? probally because it not true.
frankly you are so ecentric any crap like that you post(which i did read) I am probally not going to belive.
Total load of BS, the would not the precious US be all over exposing it?
why has this story stayed on the back burner? probally because it not true.
frankly you are so ecentric any crap like that you post(which i did read) I am probally not going to belive.
Before you stamp what you read with your favourite BS stamp you should at least understand the analysis you read because the food of shame program used by Saddam to pay out the WMD door way out of Iraq to its friendly destination outside of Iraq, so the USA case get discredited against him; and therefore lift the UN sanction and set him free to get back from the window opportunity of more oil vouches that I called Financial assets the UN was, and still is trying to protect up to this very moment. It was known [few days ago] that Goofy Annan was off control of that program for few days when the pay out was initiated. A coincidence? Let’s hope so, otherwise he should resign despite the fact that most countries including the administration see that it is early in the investigation to make such decision, [today news.]
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Even if they had miniscule wmd, they posed no threat to the US, there wasn't any terrorist cells in iraq that posed any threat to the US, even if there was, they did not have acsess to them(which they did have anyway) it funnt to watch the pre-9/11 interviews about iraq, when all of the admin was saying iraq is no problem, all under control, talk about flip-flop; you are increadibly dense, the US admin. has said iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, or have they ever implicated them in other attacks. Are you ignoring facts? don't go on about the culture of hate, It makes you a complete hypocrit, what are you doing, all but endorsing genocide of another race; its funny "Attack iraq,they did not do anything, just ignor that, we will teach them good" basically the situation of misinformed crap that people like yourself are pumping out.
It seems like you used your favourite stamp too often that you don’t distinguish when you should use it on your own statements.
First you guys illegitimate the war because the UN, didn’t Authorized it, then you do that for not finding the WMD, and now you are saying even if they were to be found still there is no case.
As I said to someone else here, the 911 commission qualification were up to par as the entire panel were non partisan politicians who spent most of their life in politic, and hold the utmost academic credentials as University grads, but beyond that, not them or any one world wide intelligence can determine if there was any link between Saddam and Al’Qua’Ada or as a matter of fact between anyone and Al’Qua’Ada because for them to look for documents signed by the two parties in Iraq or Afghanistan is as ridiculous as saying Al’Qua’Ada is an organization because it never was even by the admittance of its so called low life leader Ossama.
The days will come to prove what I said all along since September 11, Al’Qua’Ada is an Ideology of back to Islam to be picked by anyone who chose at any time he chose, and no need to sign any contract to it either.
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Frankly the iraqi's can do whatever they want to defend their land, IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE US. They have an inferior army/militia so they need to fight like that, and it seems it works better that direct conflict in which they would be slaughtered
Since the USA never declared the annexation of Iraq, but rather her intention of removing the dictatorial criminal regime; then all this fuss about the resistance of occupation is made only by the countries that have interest of seeing Iraq as the most unstable state in the region; therefore, when they used their Muftis in Syria, and their Mullahs in Iran to convince the Iraqi Imams to initiate that uncalled for resistance, they turned Iraq unto that exact unstable state they love to see so they can use it to humiliate the USA, and this is exactly what I am talking about when I say Al’Qua’Ada is an ideology because the Iranians, and the Syrians picked that ideology to fight America with in Iraq, and that why they must be defeated and humiliated there.
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Again all these problems were not happening before the US F&%!'d it all up
The fact it wasn’t prove my point above, and prove also that those regimes (Syria/Iran) were not involving themselves in changing the Iraqi regime because the Iraqi regime at that time was as bad as theirs; therefore, as you see a dictators stick together against their own people’s wish.
Example: After a decade of killing Iranian, the Iranian regime didn’t hesitate to hide the Iraqi fighters’ planes from the USA [first gulf war], even though we all know that those were the same fighters used against the Iranian people they represent; well according to that I must think that the WMDS are maybe not hidden in Iran, but surly in Syria because three weeks prior to the invasion, the Syrians heavy 22 wheels trailers fleet made several runs to Iraq carrying weapons and ammunition in support against the invasion…Now picture what those trailers came back with?
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The US would not take so much flak if they stopped F#$%ing up other countries so often for their own benifit saddam-put him in power, gave him weapons to kill other people(as well as iran on the other side) alqueda, trained tham, armed them, then screwed them(wonder why they are pissed?) taliban, came from mujahdeen(sp), again us did all ov above case
the US is a major menber of the UN, go ahead and call them corupt
its must be nice to be able to ignore the facts to make yourself feel right and noble.
the US is a major menber of the UN, go ahead and call them corupt
its must be nice to be able to ignore the facts to make yourself feel right and noble.
No one can deny the fact, but are you saying that the USA should have known then how all those people were going to turn out just because the USA have a CIA that proved its miscalculation, misjudgement and mishandling up until this very day for only one apparent fact that they still thinking they are fighting an organization; oh boy what a surprise they’re going to be after they capture [if they do] the entire squadron of all Al quad’a so called leaders from all around the globe only to find out new ones popped out after a while. Not Saddam or Taliban, but let me ask you this, can anyone anticipate now if he’s child turned to become a criminal or a serial killer in ten years from now, even though those parents never abused or miss treated that child, and should those parents be held responsible; well according to you they should be hanged with their children, and this has nothing to do with Nobility either… [Even though you are not trying to hid it by accusing me of pretend it]
Madman @ Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:53 am
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As I said to someone else here, the 911 commission qualification were up to par as the entire panel were non partisan politicians who spent most of their life in politic, and hold the utmost academic credentials as University grads, but beyond that, not them or any one world wide intelligence can determine if there was any link between Saddam and Al’Qua’Ada or as a matter of fact between anyone and Al’Qua’Ada because for them to look for documents signed by the two parties in Iraq or Afghanistan is as ridiculous as saying Al’Qua’Ada is an organization because it never was even by the admittance of its so called low life leader Ossama.
The days will come to prove what I said all along since September 11, Al’Qua’Ada is an Ideology of back to Islam to be picked by anyone who chose at any time he chose, and no need to sign any contract to it either.
The days will come to prove what I said all along since September 11, Al’Qua’Ada is an Ideology of back to Islam to be picked by anyone who chose at any time he chose, and no need to sign any contract to it either.
duck and weave, man you are good at it, I said nothing of the 9/11 panel, Colin powell has addmitted this on behalf of the US administration, was your head in the sand when this happened?
I said nothing of me basing my opinion on the UN, Stop with your BS of putting words in my mouth to try to dircredit me, your not 12(I hope)
alqueda was known to call saddam and his regime "a nest of infedels", alquada has helped the people fighting saddam
"uncalled for resistance" LOL, your kidding right. So if your country was invaded you would?
the iraq/iran war was decades ago, they moved on(don't forget US gave both sides WMD, little hypocritical you think)
The reason the US was attacking iraq was WMD that were an iminent threat to the US, they lied, used plagerized material, and misrepresentation to make their case, and then go on "well saddam is a bad guy" when that did not fan out. Stop with the diversionary BS. If these none existant WMD were such a treat, where are they, the US would have had a close eye on them all the time, and not let them out of iraq att all costs, as some of their neighboors would be worse to have those phantom WMD
funny how the US is now begging the UN to help fix the problem.
saddam started killing people the second he got in power. The US gave weapons and training to the taliban and alqueda, they were not your preverbial non influential parents.
human @ Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:46 am
Madman,
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As I said to someone else here, the 911 commission qualification were up to par as the entire panel were non partisan politicians who spent most of their life in politic, and hold the utmost academic credentials as University grads, but beyond that, not them or any one world wide intelligence can determine if there was any link between Saddam and Al’Qua’Ada or as a matter of fact between anyone and Al’Qua’Ada because for them to look for documents signed by the two parties in Iraq or Afghanistan is as ridiculous as saying Al’Qua’Ada is an organization because it never was even by the admittance of its so called low life leader Ossama.
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The days will come to prove what I said all along since September 11, Al’Qua’Ada is an Ideology of back to Islam to be picked by anyone who chose at any time he chose, and no need to sign any contract to it either.
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duck and weave, man you are good at it, I said nothing of the 9/11 panel, Colin powell has addmitted this on behalf of the US administration, was your head in the sand when this happened?
I am also not talking about the panel, though I used the panel to tell you exactly, that Powell is the creative of the idea of the panel I talked about, and that why he was half right in the middle between GWB vision and the World of UN+ Israelis, Arabs, EU, Vision; I only meant a Kerr"Y"ik Stile vision that is dependant on an wrong intelligence as close to perfect as it can that have no clue neither what they are dealing with; yet calling an ideology an organization, and try to analyse it in according to organization what happen on Sept. 11, and not to say about the FBI discarded warning, due to the lack of time, never practiced the Alarm System, they don't know where the hit is going to be, how hard couldn’t be is in mind here, Possibly.
All the criminality of all the people who are handling our life according to Al' Quad'a plan to stir fear amongst them, which come in accordance with a jihad verse in the Koran that says exactly what they are doing now as quad’a or base of the next final Jihad...
Yet I have to listen to hallucination by people who lack the knowledge in political Science, Economical Science, Strategy Science, and Mathematical Political analyses that they can use to forecast what their future generation may or may not face...
Isn't it that what it is about...?
Secure the human race will live in peace and harmony who can accept each others the same way husband and wife accept each other, and solve your problems facing life with more will to live than will to die in any name for G_D sake...
Or was it for OIL now...
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I said nothing of me basing my opinion on the UN, Stop with your BS of putting words in my mouth to try to dircredit me, your not 12(I hope)
I know, but you speak the same...Didn't even realize that did you, genius?
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alqueda was known to call saddam and his regime "a nest of infedels", alquada has helped the people fighting saddam
I know, and they called Arafat a the second Prophet, and their true BOSS Arafat [come to mind his Nazi uncle]who gave them the green light to hit NY, just read Ossama statement about his claim against America and you will know how right I am, kudos.
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"uncalled for resistance" LOL, your kidding right. So if your country was invaded you would?
Invaded and occupation are not similar neither in meaning nor in deliberation; however Mr big shot know it all, YOU MADE IT OCCUPATION.
HOW?
THE US MISSION WAS OFF by Saddam's capture...
Since then you destroyed and killed Iraqis more than the US did [with all criticism is taken as true]; instead by now...
We would hear today the final solder leave Iraq...
We hear another 30,000 are needed...
Why?
And don't try to lecture me with GWB rhetoric or the Empire rhetoric either...
And you don’t want election?
Now tell me who wants the acupuncturists to stay Monsieur Cont Le Sad…:lol:
You don't sound that you worry about your oil, and the property you still destroying to kill yourself and us in the name of Allah...Al' Quad'a Ideology isn't it?
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the iraq/iran war was decades ago, they moved on(don't forget US gave both sides WMD, little hypocritical you think)
The reason the US was attacking iraq was WMD that were an iminent threat to the US, they lied, used plagerized material, and misrepresentation to make their case, and then go on "well saddam is a bad guy" when that did not fan out. Stop with the diversionary BS. If these none existant WMD were such a treat, where are they, the US would have had a close eye on them all the time, and not let them out of iraq att all costs, as some of their neighboors would be worse to have those phantom WMD
funny how the US is now begging the UN to help fix the problem.
saddam started killing people the second he got in power. The US gave weapons and training to the taliban and alqueda, they were not your preverbial non influential parents.
The reason the US was attacking iraq was WMD that were an iminent threat to the US, they lied, used plagerized material, and misrepresentation to make their case, and then go on "well saddam is a bad guy" when that did not fan out. Stop with the diversionary BS. If these none existant WMD were such a treat, where are they, the US would have had a close eye on them all the time, and not let them out of iraq att all costs, as some of their neighboors would be worse to have those phantom WMD
funny how the US is now begging the UN to help fix the problem.
saddam started killing people the second he got in power. The US gave weapons and training to the taliban and alqueda, they were not your preverbial non influential parents.
Open your EYES...
You know the ones on your left and right of your nose...
Yeeeeeeeeeap....Those ones...
Watched don't pock them any more with lies...
You'll go blind...
Madman @ Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:02 pm
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All the criminality of all the people who are handling our life according to Al' Quad'a plan to stir fear amongst them, which come in accordance with a jihad verse in the Koran that says exactly what they are doing now as quad’a or base of the next final Jihad...
the fear mongering is happenening over here alot more then over there
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Yet I have to listen to hallucination by people who lack the knowledge in political Science, Economical Science, Strategy Science, and Mathematical Political analyses that they can use to forecast what their future generation may or may not face...
looked in the mirror lately, this "war" will only acomplish and exasterbation of the situation.
1) it attacked someone who was not part of the legitimate problem
2) It pissed the real prooblem off even more
3) It cannot suceed, fighting terror with large scale war against nations will never work. You need to quell peoples anger at you, bombing the fuck out of them wont work. It cant, period. Taking out, and infiltrating cells covertly, along with proper diplomatic aproaches would be a much better idea
If you think otherwise, well your ingorent and futher agument from you will not accomplish anything, don't bother
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Or was it for OIL now...
I have never said it was for oil( in iraq anyway", again your generalization has failed you, stop trying
I don't buy the oil thing as it would have been cheaper to buy it, The US is loosing a fenominal amount of money fighting this war(debt is curently growing twice as fast as gdp)
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I know, but you speak the same...Didn't even realize that did you, genius?
G_d damn your as dense as a brick, with not much more IQ, please give me a reason to think otherwise.
Weather or not I came to the same very general conclusion that the war was illigitimate or not (not many options here, its a binary question) has nothing to do with my opinion, yet you persist to try to link the two, after being told over and over again to the contrary.
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I know, and they called Arafat a the second Prophet, and their true BOSS Arafat [come to mind his Nazi uncle]who gave them the green light to hit NY, just read Ossama statement about his claim against America and you will know how right I am, kudos.
yeah, your right, have a cookie, but your still diverting from the issue, I'll take my cookie back, thank you. There you go, AL'queda did not get along with saddam, not see even you know this, but you persist to either try to link them, or discredit the fact theyt are a real group, which yes is also a philosophy, but is a real group which is now a treat. I would think you are not the type to ignor such a threat by questioning its existance
It was an invasion, now its an occupation, If you think otherwise, what is it then? again not many word to describe, I like to attach illigitimate infront of either of those.
sure an election would be good, not now, not for a while, the country won't reconize it, and there will be alot of attacks, in which people will die, whats the point right now?
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Open your EYES...
You know the ones on your left and right of your nose...
Yeeeeeeeeeap....Those ones...
Watched don't pock them any more with lies...
You'll go blind...
You know the ones on your left and right of your nose...
Yeeeeeeeeeap....Those ones...
Watched don't pock them any more with lies...
You'll go blind...
If you cannot debate or have a ligitimate responce, why type, do not know what saddam did when he first got in power? do you not know why the taliban came into existance?
at this point this is going nowhere, you wont change my mind and I will not change yours.
also this is so far of topic, you claimed GWB got the order, he did not(not a real one, still don't know what the hell you were talking about,post proof is you wish to continue arguing that one), this matter is otherwise close
please take this as positive critisizm
as for the rest, proof read it and edit it(for your own sake, it discredits you when people see a 10 year old can write better), its is bearly legible and the grammer is so bad it makes to sense,spelling is g alright though. I am not the good at grammer(engineers tend not to be), but damn, you got sentences in there that make no sense at all.
human @ Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:14 am
figfarmer figfarmer:
Ask my big sister, Osama.
I would if I could, but then you may get angry if I unveil her...
human @ Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:48 am
Madman,
$1:
All the criminality of all the people who are handling our life according to Al' Quad'a plan to stir fear amongst them, which come in accordance with a jihad verse in the Koran that says exactly what they are doing now as quad’a or base of the next final Jihad...
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the fear mongering is happenening over here alot more then over there…
The fear is used strategically to create chaos according to the book of hate, and it is world wide, our precaution security steps are the best defence just in case we take it lightly as you trying to imply we should; keep in mind “No Cost” is “Expensive” when lives are in question…
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Yet I have to listen to hallucination by people who lack the knowledge in political Science, Economical Science, Strategy Science, and Mathematical Political analyses that they can use to forecast what their future generation may or may not face...
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looked in the mirror lately, this "war" will only accomplish and exasterbation of the situation.
1) it attacked someone who was not part of the legitimate problem
2) It pissed the real prooblem off even more
3) It cannot suceed, fighting terror with large scale war against nations will never work. You need to quell peoples anger at you, bombing the fuck out of them wont work. It cant, period. Taking out, and infiltrating cells covertly, along with proper diplomatic aproaches would be a much better idea
If you think otherwise, well your ingorent and futher agument from you will not accomplish anything, don't bother
1) it attacked someone who was not part of the legitimate problem
2) It pissed the real prooblem off even more
3) It cannot suceed, fighting terror with large scale war against nations will never work. You need to quell peoples anger at you, bombing the fuck out of them wont work. It cant, period. Taking out, and infiltrating cells covertly, along with proper diplomatic aproaches would be a much better idea
If you think otherwise, well your ingorent and futher agument from you will not accomplish anything, don't bother
Actually I did looked in the mirror when you were passing by, but no shadow appeared in that mirror, are you a Terrorist Vampire of some kind, besides how you can live with the junk you write?
For you to say, “Not part of the legitimate problem”, it must be because you don’t see any other problem than the American and the Israeli existence as a problem beyond that The Arabic “Umma” can’t just take off her Unity underwear and run individually any time it sees fit to criminalize America and legitimize its stand according to its unity standards.
Since the Umma was born pissed at the entire Non-Moslem human race, and the Non-Moslem human race was being attacked all over the world; then, the real problem of pissing off America because America was trying to meditate the itsy bitsy problem of the Arabs refusal of any kind of solution that doesn’t correspond along the lines of their book of hate, instead of the common interest of the region was the real problem, but certainly for you to understand this problem of US understanding your real problem, you had to be attacked back and as severely as we can to shake your empty skull so you realize that your attack actually made us UNDERSTAND that the real problem is only YOUR HATERED PROBLEM, and never was any other problem.
Certainly, quelling peoples’ anger was what the United State doing since the time it got involved in solving the ME problem on the table of negotiation instead of the series of the Arab’s wars that Arabs used up until now to solve this problem, but it seems like the Umma have a much larger claim against the Non-Moslem human race that is hidden within the itsy bitsy problem, and the Sept. 11 attack proved once for all that the core problem is the real problem much more than the itsy bitsy problem. However, since here according to the book of hate, no one can quell the Moslem world except if that quelling was the Islamizing of the quell--->errs, and since they are trying to quell us with the only quelling permitted in that book that is called JIHAD, then our quelling now has to change to match their quelling…
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Or was it for OIL now...
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I have never said it was for oil( in iraq anyway", again your generalization has failed you, stop trying
I don't buy the oil thing as it would have been cheaper to buy it, The US is loosing a fenominal amount of money fighting this war(debt is curently growing twice as fast as gdp)
I don't buy the oil thing as it would have been cheaper to buy it, The US is loosing a fenominal amount of money fighting this war(debt is curently growing twice as fast as gdp)
It was clear to anyone “except you”, and anyone could see that I mentioned OIL there in sarcastic contrast to what I analysed before, but then you have to show off your quelling sensitivity, don’t you?
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I know, but you speak the same...Didn't even realize that did you, genius?
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G_d damn your as dense as a brick, with not much more IQ, please give me a reason to think otherwise.
Weather or not I came to the same very general conclusion that the war was illigitimate or not (not many options here, its a binary question) has nothing to do with my opinion, yet you persist to try to link the two, after being told over and over again to the contrary.
Weather or not I came to the same very general conclusion that the war was illigitimate or not (not many options here, its a binary question) has nothing to do with my opinion, yet you persist to try to link the two, after being told over and over again to the contrary.
Certainly IQ has to do with a great deal, and from all and everything you said up until now all I can see is the same .05 you recorded at your birth.
Now you can say what ever you want to try to create a differentiation between what your OP is saying and the UN is saying, but they still the same no matter how you flip it…
FLIP FLOP? Wasn’t that Kerry’s campaign’s strategy?
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I know, and they called Arafat a the second Prophet, and their true BOSS Arafat [come to mind his Nazi uncle]who gave them the green light to hit NY, just read Ossama statement about his claim against America and you will know how right I am, kudos.
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yeah, your right, have a cookie, but your still diverting from the issue, I'll take my cookie back, thank you. There you go, AL'queda did not get along with saddam, not see even you know this, but you persist to either try to link them, or discredit the fact theyt are a real group, which yes is also a philosophy, but is a real group which is now a treat. I would think you are not the type to ignor such a threat by questioning its existance
It was an invasion, now its an occupation, If you think otherwise, what is it then? again not many word to describe, I like to attach illigitimate infront of either of those.
sure an election would be good, not now, not for a while, the country won't reconize it, and there will be alot of attacks, in which people will die, whats the point right now?
It was an invasion, now its an occupation, If you think otherwise, what is it then? again not many word to describe, I like to attach illigitimate infront of either of those.
sure an election would be good, not now, not for a while, the country won't reconize it, and there will be alot of attacks, in which people will die, whats the point right now?
$1:
Open your EYES...
You know the ones on your left and right of your nose...
Yeeeeeeeeeap....Those ones...
Watched don't pock them any more with lies...
You'll go blind...
You know the ones on your left and right of your nose...
Yeeeeeeeeeap....Those ones...
Watched don't pock them any more with lies...
You'll go blind...
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If you cannot debate or have a ligitimate responce, why type, do not know what saddam did when he first got in power? do you not know why the taliban came into existance? at this point this is going nowhere, you wont change my mind and I will not change yours.
also this is so far of topic, you claimed GWB got the order, he did not(not a real one, still don't know what the hell you were talking about, post proof is you wish to continue arguing that one), this matter is otherwise close
please take this as positive critisizm
as for the rest, proof read it and edit it(for your own sake, it discredits you when people see a 10 year old can write better), its is bearly legible and the grammer is so bad it makes to sense, spelling is g alright though. I am not the good at grammer(engineers tend not to be), but damn, you got sentences in there that make no sense at all.
also this is so far of topic, you claimed GWB got the order, he did not(not a real one, still don't know what the hell you were talking about, post proof is you wish to continue arguing that one), this matter is otherwise close
please take this as positive critisizm
as for the rest, proof read it and edit it(for your own sake, it discredits you when people see a 10 year old can write better), its is bearly legible and the grammer is so bad it makes to sense, spelling is g alright though. I am not the good at grammer(engineers tend not to be), but damn, you got sentences in there that make no sense at all.
It seems like you didn’t read me saying in one of my previous posts that I lived in the region for the half of my present age, other wise you would’ve understand why I discarded the issue which I know that you have no clue off, other wise you would’ve known that deep past may have a connection point to the present situation, but not as essential point anymore to the present citation.
But since you want to turn your ill knowledge to test call to test mine, and since the depth of that point’s discussion is a ground for different debate, then why you don’t start with an opening statement and tell us exactly not only what Saddam did when he first got in power and why he did it, but also what are the regional political influences that created Saddam, and right after we settle the matter here, then you can do another opening statement and tell us how I do not know why the Taliban came into existence, and you do; especially that you assume I don’t and you do. However thank you for the response and the positive criticism, and I assure you that I am working on it.
Madman @ Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:33 pm
the taliban were to a large extent made up of disaffected, or particular groups of the mujahideen, a group trained by the US and the UK to fight the soviet occupation. Once the US, UK had finished helping them win the war, they left them, to fend on their own, leaving all the mines, UXO, and destruction exasterbated by the assistance, the exixstance of the taliban, may not have happened if the US/UK stuck around and helped to clean up the mess the so vigorously assisted in creating
In no way do I support these kind of guys, wont miss them, but they were a group of people "bread" for war, and were left to fend for themselves after the war
$1:
The Anglo-American support apparatus
behind the Afghani mujahideen
by Adam K. East
Following the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union in December 1979, the U.S. administration, first under Carter and then under Reagan, launched a massive support and training campaign for the Afghan freedom fighters, or "mujahideen" (holy warriors), as they came to be known. In addition to overt and covert funding operations by various U.S. governmental agencies for the mujahideen, a plethora of private "aid" agencies, think-tanks, and other odd outfits joined the fray, with the ostensible aim of helping the Afghans to liberate their nation from the clutches of the Soviet invaders.
However, a closer look at the activities of these private agencies reveals that there was much more at stake. As the profiles below show, the source of policy for most of these groups was British intelligence. As such, these groups lobbied the U.S. Congress, set up conferences, launched pro-mujahideen propaganda campaigns, and, in some cases, even provided military training for various mujahideen groups. U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, and the region, was largely determined by the aims of these "committees," which also represented the controlling "mediators" between the mujahideen and British policy.
Some of the members and leaders of the organizations profiled below were also involved with some of the figures in the drugs-for-guns related Iran-Contra networks of then-Vice President George Bush and his sidekick Oliver North.
behind the Afghani mujahideen
by Adam K. East
Following the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union in December 1979, the U.S. administration, first under Carter and then under Reagan, launched a massive support and training campaign for the Afghan freedom fighters, or "mujahideen" (holy warriors), as they came to be known. In addition to overt and covert funding operations by various U.S. governmental agencies for the mujahideen, a plethora of private "aid" agencies, think-tanks, and other odd outfits joined the fray, with the ostensible aim of helping the Afghans to liberate their nation from the clutches of the Soviet invaders.
However, a closer look at the activities of these private agencies reveals that there was much more at stake. As the profiles below show, the source of policy for most of these groups was British intelligence. As such, these groups lobbied the U.S. Congress, set up conferences, launched pro-mujahideen propaganda campaigns, and, in some cases, even provided military training for various mujahideen groups. U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, and the region, was largely determined by the aims of these "committees," which also represented the controlling "mediators" between the mujahideen and British policy.
Some of the members and leaders of the organizations profiled below were also involved with some of the figures in the drugs-for-guns related Iran-Contra networks of then-Vice President George Bush and his sidekick Oliver North.
human @ Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:17 am
Madman Madman:
the taliban were to a large extent made up of disaffected, or particular groups of the mujahideen, a group trained by the US and the UK to fight the soviet occupation. Once the US, UK had finished helping them win the war, they left them, to fend on their own, leaving all the mines, UXO, and destruction exasterbated by the assistance, the exixstance of the taliban, may not have happened if the US/UK stuck around and helped to clean up the mess the so vigorously assisted in creating
In no way do I support these kind of guys, wont miss them, but they were a group of people "bread" for war, and were left to fend for themselves after the war
In no way do I support these kind of guys, wont miss them, but they were a group of people "bread" for war, and were left to fend for themselves after the war
$1:
The Anglo-American support apparatus
behind the Afghani mujahideen
by Adam K. East
Following the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union in December 1979, the U.S. administration, first under Carter and then under Reagan, launched a massive support and training campaign for the Afghan freedom fighters, or "mujahideen" (holy warriors), as they came to be known. In addition to overt and covert funding operations by various U.S. governmental agencies for the mujahideen, a plethora of private "aid" agencies, think-tanks, and other odd outfits joined the fray, with the ostensible aim of helping the Afghans to liberate their nation from the clutches of the Soviet invaders.
However, a closer look at the activities of these private agencies reveals that there was much more at stake. As the profiles below show, the source of policy for most of these groups was British intelligence. As such, these groups lobbied the U.S. Congress, set up conferences, launched pro-mujahideen propaganda campaigns, and, in some cases, even provided military training for various mujahideen groups. U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, and the region, was largely determined by the aims of these "committees," which also represented the controlling "mediators" between the mujahideen and British policy.
Some of the members and leaders of the organizations profiled below were also involved with some of the figures in the drugs-for-guns related Iran-Contra networks of then-Vice President George Bush and his sidekick Oliver North.
behind the Afghani mujahideen
by Adam K. East
Following the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union in December 1979, the U.S. administration, first under Carter and then under Reagan, launched a massive support and training campaign for the Afghan freedom fighters, or "mujahideen" (holy warriors), as they came to be known. In addition to overt and covert funding operations by various U.S. governmental agencies for the mujahideen, a plethora of private "aid" agencies, think-tanks, and other odd outfits joined the fray, with the ostensible aim of helping the Afghans to liberate their nation from the clutches of the Soviet invaders.
However, a closer look at the activities of these private agencies reveals that there was much more at stake. As the profiles below show, the source of policy for most of these groups was British intelligence. As such, these groups lobbied the U.S. Congress, set up conferences, launched pro-mujahideen propaganda campaigns, and, in some cases, even provided military training for various mujahideen groups. U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, and the region, was largely determined by the aims of these "committees," which also represented the controlling "mediators" between the mujahideen and British policy.
Some of the members and leaders of the organizations profiled below were also involved with some of the figures in the drugs-for-guns related Iran-Contra networks of then-Vice President George Bush and his sidekick Oliver North.
I'm not talking about the Taliban, just because they were the victims of Arabia more than anything else, and the USA maybe gave the weapon to resist the communists, but their spiritual coaching was done by mostly Saudi Arabs; however, what I am saying here is that Al' Quad’a is not neither Taliban nor an organization because it is an Ideology and all indications on the ground imply just that.
