US military Bullying Canadian Civilians
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:40 am
It's my understanding that an MP has exactly the same powers as an RCMP constable does, on federal/crown land. However, they are expected to surrender the detainee to civilian authorities ASAP.
Scape @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:59 am
I'm working on the assumption of the offence being off crown land and a 25 km security perimeter would not be considered crown land in this instance.
sasquatch2 @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:00 am
Scape
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The caveat to that being fairly obvious here and that is on DND land. Had that happened outside DND lands then when it finally arrives in civilian court the charges would be duly thrown out of court and rightly so. Their authority stems only from the civilian charge.
If wishes were horses then beggars could ride.
So sorry, your riot got busted up before it started. ROTFALMFAO.
The problem with that is that the world (nor Canada does march to the beat of your drum. Within 50 Km of a DND base an MP can bust you for speeding, failinbg to stop DUI etc....and the charges will stick.
Scape @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:27 am
If you're a civilian and caught speeding while DUI by a MP they can and will detain and process you. The authority they have at that point is no more than a private security guard that detains you for a break and enter on land under their charge. The MP may also show up at your court appearance as a material witness but your charges will be handled by civilian law enforcement not the MP. The charges could be thrown out of court if the transfer was in any way bungled.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:41 am
SprCForr SprCForr:
Members of the military other than MP's can be given law enforcement powers as directed by the Province in an aid-to-civil power context.
During the Red River flood in '97 my Troop was given those powers to protect the citizens and property within my AOR (which except for two towns and some farms was pretty much under water). We never had to use them.
During the Red River flood in '97 my Troop was given those powers to protect the citizens and property within my AOR (which except for two towns and some farms was pretty much under water). We never had to use them.
I saw (on live TV) the Canadian Army snipe an armed robber in Victoria in 2001. There was no discussion, no negotiation, and no hesitiation: the sniper got in position and immediately took the shot - ending a volatile hostage situation.
I wish I could the same down here.
baylee @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:04 pm
Scape Scape:
If you're a civilian and caught speeding while DUI by a MP they can and will detain and process you.
So you are saying MP,s are driving around with radar guns, and breathalyzer equipment?
If not, they wont be pulling anyone over or detaining anyone either
stratos @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:07 pm
Not sure about in Canada but in the USA they do have radar guns and Breathalyzers at the MP station.
Scape @ Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:30 pm
baylee baylee:
Scape Scape:
If you're a civilian and caught speeding while DUI by a MP they can and will detain and process you.
So you are saying MP,s are driving around with radar guns, and breathalyzer equipment?
If not, they wont be pulling anyone over or detaining anyone either
Let's say that there is a military base and for the sake of argument there are bars in a nearby city. The bars are frequented by military personnel and on occasion they will go out in groups and partake in the nightlife with civilians. MP's will frequently shadow such events as it is apart of their duties. Let's say that on the way to or from there an MP sees a vehicle clearly driving erratically, what do you think they would or should do? If they happen to be military what do you think would happen? Just because your DUI doesn't mean they need a radar gun or breathalyser equipment to know it.
sasquatch2 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:49 am
I recall that, while trucking through North Dakota, near Minot, getting stopped on US #2 by an MP manned checkpoint. They did a vehicle inspection, checked my licence, authorities and logbook.
They were polite, efficient and very firm.
BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:57 am
In 1991 during the LA riots the Marines deployed from Twentynine Palms under Presidential orders.
At the same time the California National Guard was deployed and the media reported the fact that the Guard was deliberately deployed without ammunition for their weapons.
Anyhow, some clown did a drive-by shooting on a Marine emplacement in Compton and got himself and his car shredded by a minigun.
The USMC spokesperson's comment to the local media: "He mistook the Marines for National Guard and likely will not do that ever again."
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The point is that from time to time the military does deploy domestically. And when they do it's best to obey their orders because they don't play.
sasquatch2 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:36 pm
Bart Simpson
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Anyhow, some clown did a drive-by shooting on a Marine emplacement in Compton and got himself and his car shredded by a minigun.
I'd have loved to have seen that..........I thought only palestinians were dumb enough to try that stupidity.
Fascisti @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:10 pm
Scape Scape:
$1:
Connie Fogal, Leader of the Canadian Action Party, says, "So much for conspiracy theories! Now we have the ugly truth fully exposed. The US military really does now run Canada. "
The US military is on Canadian soil forbidding the Municipality of Papineauville from renting a hall to the Council of Canadians who planned a public meeting to be held the day before the Three Amigos meet in Montebello, Quebec, Canada August 20, 21 2007 to plan their next moves in the dismantling of their respective countries of Canada, USA and Mexico.
CAP's leader said,"Bad enough that our RCMP and the Quebec provincial police force would apply offensive Canadian law to prevent a legitimate meeting of dissenting citizens. Totally untenable that a foreign army assumes jurisdiction on our land. But this we knew from the Binational Planning Agreement begun in 2002 that saw Canada crawl on its belly and permit the USA military to enter our land whenever it deems necessary. "
"Does anyone still believe that our federal leaders have not thrown away our sovereignty ? That from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of this our land have not been committing treason behind closed doors? How otherwise would it be possible that a proud, sovereign, and free nation would see a foreign army on its soil interfering with the right of Canadians to assemble and to speak?"
"And , Canada's silent loyal opposition has meanwhile been neither loyal nor an opposition ! US military on Canadian soil ordering Canadians did not happen overnight!"
Connie Fogal, leader of the Canadian Action Party, urges all Canadians to say NO to the criminalization of dissent on our land.
She pointed out,"So they put up a fence! So they impose a 25 kilometer no go zone! So they halt vehicles with five or more people in them! So we be on the edge propelling the power of our inner energy to stare at them through their barriers! We can just stand and stare!There is something very ludicrous about three leaders of alleged free countries hiding from their citizens."
Connie Fogal , leader of the Canadian Action Party, encourages all liberty loving Americans, and Mexicans, as well as Canadians to protest this third annual meeting of national leaders who are bent on destroying our constitutional and civil rights. She urges,"Let us join hands in peaceful right of protest, standing firm and tall, determined and strong in acknowledgement that our nations belong to us the people,and that no shadow government, no military, no treacherous politicians or officials are going to take them away from us. "
The US military is on Canadian soil forbidding the Municipality of Papineauville from renting a hall to the Council of Canadians who planned a public meeting to be held the day before the Three Amigos meet in Montebello, Quebec, Canada August 20, 21 2007 to plan their next moves in the dismantling of their respective countries of Canada, USA and Mexico.
CAP's leader said,"Bad enough that our RCMP and the Quebec provincial police force would apply offensive Canadian law to prevent a legitimate meeting of dissenting citizens. Totally untenable that a foreign army assumes jurisdiction on our land. But this we knew from the Binational Planning Agreement begun in 2002 that saw Canada crawl on its belly and permit the USA military to enter our land whenever it deems necessary. "
"Does anyone still believe that our federal leaders have not thrown away our sovereignty ? That from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of this our land have not been committing treason behind closed doors? How otherwise would it be possible that a proud, sovereign, and free nation would see a foreign army on its soil interfering with the right of Canadians to assemble and to speak?"
"And , Canada's silent loyal opposition has meanwhile been neither loyal nor an opposition ! US military on Canadian soil ordering Canadians did not happen overnight!"
Connie Fogal, leader of the Canadian Action Party, urges all Canadians to say NO to the criminalization of dissent on our land.
She pointed out,"So they put up a fence! So they impose a 25 kilometer no go zone! So they halt vehicles with five or more people in them! So we be on the edge propelling the power of our inner energy to stare at them through their barriers! We can just stand and stare!There is something very ludicrous about three leaders of alleged free countries hiding from their citizens."
Connie Fogal , leader of the Canadian Action Party, encourages all liberty loving Americans, and Mexicans, as well as Canadians to protest this third annual meeting of national leaders who are bent on destroying our constitutional and civil rights. She urges,"Let us join hands in peaceful right of protest, standing firm and tall, determined and strong in acknowledgement that our nations belong to us the people,and that no shadow government, no military, no treacherous politicians or officials are going to take them away from us. "
Clearly a moronic post. The US military does NOT have carte-blanche to step onto Canadian soil. They would require permission first. Also, the US military has absolutely no say in any part of Canada. This is clearly a commie-pinko libtard post with the idea of misleading Canadians into believing the USA has the ability to walk into any part of Canada, which it does not. I know this for a fact since I have people inside the government. The Americans need to ask for permission to shit near our border, and do so in triplicate. Can the bullshit about the Americans. They know we are a sovereign power, and they treat us as such, for they know the consequences. Now please do refrain from posting your idiocy any further. I utterly abhor stupidity as displayed with this post.
Mustang1 @ Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:13 pm
Fascisti Fascisti:
Scape Scape:
$1:
Connie Fogal, Leader of the Canadian Action Party, says, "So much for conspiracy theories! Now we have the ugly truth fully exposed. The US military really does now run Canada. "
The US military is on Canadian soil forbidding the Municipality of Papineauville from renting a hall to the Council of Canadians who planned a public meeting to be held the day before the Three Amigos meet in Montebello, Quebec, Canada August 20, 21 2007 to plan their next moves in the dismantling of their respective countries of Canada, USA and Mexico.
CAP's leader said,"Bad enough that our RCMP and the Quebec provincial police force would apply offensive Canadian law to prevent a legitimate meeting of dissenting citizens. Totally untenable that a foreign army assumes jurisdiction on our land. But this we knew from the Binational Planning Agreement begun in 2002 that saw Canada crawl on its belly and permit the USA military to enter our land whenever it deems necessary. "
"Does anyone still believe that our federal leaders have not thrown away our sovereignty ? That from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of this our land have not been committing treason behind closed doors? How otherwise would it be possible that a proud, sovereign, and free nation would see a foreign army on its soil interfering with the right of Canadians to assemble and to speak?"
"And , Canada's silent loyal opposition has meanwhile been neither loyal nor an opposition ! US military on Canadian soil ordering Canadians did not happen overnight!"
Connie Fogal, leader of the Canadian Action Party, urges all Canadians to say NO to the criminalization of dissent on our land.
She pointed out,"So they put up a fence! So they impose a 25 kilometer no go zone! So they halt vehicles with five or more people in them! So we be on the edge propelling the power of our inner energy to stare at them through their barriers! We can just stand and stare!There is something very ludicrous about three leaders of alleged free countries hiding from their citizens."
Connie Fogal , leader of the Canadian Action Party, encourages all liberty loving Americans, and Mexicans, as well as Canadians to protest this third annual meeting of national leaders who are bent on destroying our constitutional and civil rights. She urges,"Let us join hands in peaceful right of protest, standing firm and tall, determined and strong in acknowledgement that our nations belong to us the people,and that no shadow government, no military, no treacherous politicians or officials are going to take them away from us. "
The US military is on Canadian soil forbidding the Municipality of Papineauville from renting a hall to the Council of Canadians who planned a public meeting to be held the day before the Three Amigos meet in Montebello, Quebec, Canada August 20, 21 2007 to plan their next moves in the dismantling of their respective countries of Canada, USA and Mexico.
CAP's leader said,"Bad enough that our RCMP and the Quebec provincial police force would apply offensive Canadian law to prevent a legitimate meeting of dissenting citizens. Totally untenable that a foreign army assumes jurisdiction on our land. But this we knew from the Binational Planning Agreement begun in 2002 that saw Canada crawl on its belly and permit the USA military to enter our land whenever it deems necessary. "
"Does anyone still believe that our federal leaders have not thrown away our sovereignty ? That from Chretien (Liberal) to Martin (Liberal) to Harper (Conservative), the Prime Ministers of this our land have not been committing treason behind closed doors? How otherwise would it be possible that a proud, sovereign, and free nation would see a foreign army on its soil interfering with the right of Canadians to assemble and to speak?"
"And , Canada's silent loyal opposition has meanwhile been neither loyal nor an opposition ! US military on Canadian soil ordering Canadians did not happen overnight!"
Connie Fogal, leader of the Canadian Action Party, urges all Canadians to say NO to the criminalization of dissent on our land.
She pointed out,"So they put up a fence! So they impose a 25 kilometer no go zone! So they halt vehicles with five or more people in them! So we be on the edge propelling the power of our inner energy to stare at them through their barriers! We can just stand and stare!There is something very ludicrous about three leaders of alleged free countries hiding from their citizens."
Connie Fogal , leader of the Canadian Action Party, encourages all liberty loving Americans, and Mexicans, as well as Canadians to protest this third annual meeting of national leaders who are bent on destroying our constitutional and civil rights. She urges,"Let us join hands in peaceful right of protest, standing firm and tall, determined and strong in acknowledgement that our nations belong to us the people,and that no shadow government, no military, no treacherous politicians or officials are going to take them away from us. "
Clearly a moronic post. The US military does NOT have carte-blanche to step onto Canadian soil. They would require permission first. Also, the US military has absolutely no say in any part of Canada. This is clearly a commie-pinko libtard post with the idea of misleading Canadians into believing the USA has the ability to walk into any part of Canada, which it does not. I know this for a fact since I have people inside the government. The Americans need to ask for permission to shit near our border, and do so in triplicate. Can the bullshit about the Americans. They know we are a sovereign power, and they treat us as such, for they know the consequences. Now please do refrain from posting your idiocy any further. I utterly abhor stupidity as displayed with this post.
You may abhor said alleged "stupidity" but then why force it upon us? Seems a tad hypocritical, eh, Lucy?
zeitgeist @ Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:55 pm
I watched the movie "Zeitgeist"
It made me think about the direction of Canada's future.
Then i saw the clip on "The North American Union / Amero"
youtubedotcom/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U
the Toronto Star has an article:
thestardotcom/article/238740
"The council has rescheduled its Aug. 19 public forum to Ottawa. But Patterson expressed outrage that the public can't seem to get near the Montebello summit when corporate executives have personal access to Harper, Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderón."
I would really be interested to find out who the corporate executives are and what companies they own?........ahem, boycott, ahem
EyeBrock @ Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:08 am
zeitgeist zeitgeist:
I watched the movie "Zeitgeist"
It made me think about the direction of Canada's future.
Then i saw the clip on "The North American Union / Amero"
youtubedotcom/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U
the Toronto Star has an article:
thestardotcom/article/238740
"The council has rescheduled its Aug. 19 public forum to Ottawa. But Patterson expressed outrage that the public can't seem to get near the Montebello summit when corporate executives have personal access to Harper, Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderón."
I would really be interested to find out who the corporate executives are and what companies they own?........ahem, boycott, ahem
It made me think about the direction of Canada's future.
Then i saw the clip on "The North American Union / Amero"
youtubedotcom/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U
the Toronto Star has an article:
thestardotcom/article/238740
"The council has rescheduled its Aug. 19 public forum to Ottawa. But Patterson expressed outrage that the public can't seem to get near the Montebello summit when corporate executives have personal access to Harper, Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderón."
I would really be interested to find out who the corporate executives are and what companies they own?........ahem, boycott, ahem
Was this in English? Maybe I need to go back to ESL classes......