Canada Kicks Ass
What about Handguns?

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ASLplease @ Thu May 13, 2010 6:12 am

right back at ya!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0n8N98mpes

   



Ruxpercnd @ Sun May 23, 2010 11:30 am

Well... I have been so busy, that I was away from this discussion for quite a while. However, I have now re-read the thread all the way through.

Every society has it's myth and there is something of a Canadian myth. I am not the person to describe that myth, but it seems to me that the basis of it is that Canada is not U.S.A.. Canadians are not Americans unless they cross over and take advantage of our opportunities. Hence, William Shatner, leaves one myth and adopts another.

I find the Canadian Myth appealing and comforting. So, I can't begrudge my Canadian brothers. But just as we Americans must periodically re-examine our own bullshit, er... myth, I wonder if Canadians are willing to do the same.

I personally resent the government intrusion into my freedoms. The gun in America is a symbol of our freedom and is the line in the sand between citizens and the State. Take the guns away and the State rules supreme. Keep our guns and the citizens rule. That is the way I see it. Canada probably has more guns that the Canadian State is willing to admit. However, Canadians want to take comfort in the belief that they have a strong State. By restricting guns in Canada, you empower your State.

Now about handguns. I carry everyday. However, if you are familiar with the writings in the "Art of War", then you would know that deceit and surprise are powerful weapons. So I am not powerful because I carry a weapon. I derive power because I appear to not have a weapon. I appear as some befuddled old guy, not paying attention to much, totally non-threatening. Nothing wrong with being non-threatening. It is a good thing. But I am not defense-less. That is a good thing.

For you Americans, a concealed carrier must be absolutely non-threatening and absolutely undercover to everybody. Paranoia is converted to simple preparedness. We do not choose the time and place of a confrontation. Bad guys choose the time and place of their actions. There is a world of difference between the mindset of a soldier/law enforcement officer and that of a defense minded citizen. Professionals need lots of fire power. Defense needs just some. I wouldn't want to face somebody with a .22 caliber weapon, but a policeman wouldn't carry one.

I have struggled with the concept of whether people can be trusted with their own defense. It is debatable as to whether young folks can control their passions. So, I would say that gun ownership is not for everybody. But I saw a lot of young folks lined up applying for Concealed Pistol Permits and at the pistol range. Ladies also.

I amazed when visiting the gun shop, to see folks picking up the 223/.556 assault type rifles. My ideal is the 308/7.62 rifle. So, I intend to obtain a civilian M14 rifle. My carry is the Sig Sauer P238, hard to find in the shops. Can you imagine that Sig can sell as many P238's as they can manufacture? No excess inventory problems there. The Sig P238 is double safe because to fire, (1) the safety must be off and (2) the single action pistol must have the hammer cocked. I carry safety on and hammer up. I won't describe how I carry, but it is so totally out of sight, that there no problem having it on my person always. You would have to scan me to find it.

So, at the risk of sounding redundant, I conclude that Canadians feel a need to strengthen their State at the expense of a little bit of personal freedom. It is a valid choice, but makes me feel uncomfortable. But of course I live in a different country where the culture war is absolutely raging. Think about it, if the American State rules supreme, then some ruler here would make GW Bush look like a harmless buffoon. And I know that Bush scared you.

   



BartSimpson @ Sun May 23, 2010 12:32 pm

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
Think about it, if the American State rules supreme, then some ruler here would make GW Bush look like a harmless buffoon. And I know that Bush scared you.


That's something I've said many times that Canadian security exists one US election at a time.

A disarmed Canadian populace would be easily cowed by an invading US military.

I know that may sound fantastic to some to even consider, but in another topic we're discussing the pros and cons of the government actively controlling speech on the internet and elsewhere.

Once the public discourse is controlled it is then a simple matter of guiding public opinion that it is a matter of US national security to invade Canada for (make up a reason) and then take over Canadian resources.

Think this kind of thing can't happen?

http://www.pbs.org/crucible/frames/_journalism.html

$1:
After the sinking of the Maine, the Hearst newspapers, with no evidence, unequivocally blamed the Spanish, and soon U.S. public opinion demanded intervention.


So now we talk about the government directly controlling the media. Like it's a good idea. :roll:

   



angler57 @ Mon May 24, 2010 4:10 am

Sadly in the U.S. of A. our gov-a-met and the Prez already have convinced much of the public that D.C. has every right to take control of any business that goes astray.

Oops; Sorry. Forgot colour offends most on this site. After years in news biz and having a musician friend spend nearly an hour playing and pointing out the time and attention that is spent on what music people call Hooks and news refers to as grabbers all these colour colors at a key touch are just to close not to use.
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Only pack when in certain areas and keep piece close at hand at home.
That is my right.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOfkpu6749w

   



angler57 @ Mon May 24, 2010 4:24 am

Concerning polls and guns and results. Let me think. Go to rural southern Alabama and ask does a man have the right to carry a weapon?
Ask a hundred people.
Go to D.C. and ask questions for the same poll. Ask a hundred people.
Using only the answers from southern Alabama. What do you reckon the answer would be.
Well heck go to downtown Toronto and ask that question. What do you reckon the answers will reflect? Polls may certainly give the answer that is desired.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Mon May 24, 2010 4:44 am

$1:
A disarmed Canadian populace would be easily cowed by an invading US military.


Actually all we'd have to do is wait for winter to see the the American Army cowed. Joking aside...the likely comments would be,"It's hunting season already? Time to water the beer down and start talking like the MacKenzie Brothers."

   



angler57 @ Mon May 24, 2010 5:42 am

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
$1:
A disarmed Canadian populace would be easily cowed by an invading US military.


Actually all we'd have to do is wait for winter to see the the American Army cowed. Joking aside...the likely comments would be,"It's hunting season already? Time to water the beer down and start talking like the MacKenzie Brothers."

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First sane thing said here for awhile. U.S, troops would have to drop everything for the beginning of Trout and Deer seasons. And, the first spring mushroom day?
The really important things always come first.

   



uwish @ Tue May 25, 2010 9:04 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
Think about it, if the American State rules supreme, then some ruler here would make GW Bush look like a harmless buffoon. And I know that Bush scared you.


That's something I've said many times that Canadian security exists one US election at a time.

A disarmed Canadian populace would be easily cowed by an invading US military.

I know that may sound fantastic to some to even consider, but in another topic we're discussing the pros and cons of the government actively controlling speech on the internet and elsewhere.

Once the public discourse is controlled it is then a simple matter of guiding public opinion that it is a matter of US national security to invade Canada for (make up a reason) and then take over Canadian resources.

Think this kind of thing can't happen?

http://www.pbs.org/crucible/frames/_journalism.html

$1:
After the sinking of the Maine, the Hearst newspapers, with no evidence, unequivocally blamed the Spanish, and soon U.S. public opinion demanded intervention.


So now we talk about the government directly controlling the media. Like it's a good idea. :roll:


Bart, Bart, Bart, we as Canadians are insidious. We have 32 million microwaves lined up within 200 miles of the 49th parallel. How is that for nuclear power?

To be serious just for a minute. If you all put on your tin foil hats just for a second...in 25 years there will be VERY little oil left. The world is far past peak oil, if you think we consume 80million bpd of oil at current levels PER DAY(never mind when India and China really start to come on stream), where will the world get whats left of it's resources?

Canada has one of the largest natural supplies left after the middle east. The US is firmly entrenched in the gulf and will never leave until the oil runs out. The only question that really remains, when the world starts to starve, do you think uncle SAM will just watch across the boarder?

ok, take off your tin foil...just food for thought.

   



angler57 @ Wed May 26, 2010 5:04 am

Wish I had the faith to believe, the world as we know it, will even exist in 25 years.

   



ASLplease @ Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:30 pm

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
.... We actually trust each other.......


not entirely true, there are blokes on this website that claim to trust criminals not to shoot them, yet, me - a law abiding duckgun owner with all my safety traing and licensing up to date - they dont trust me.

   



Gunnair @ Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:32 pm

ASLplease ASLplease:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
.... We actually trust each other.......


not entirely true, there are blokes on this website that claim to trust criminals not to shoot them, yet, me - a law abiding duckgun owner with all my safety traing and licensing up to date - they dont trust me.


Well.... at least not to necro...

   



Hyack @ Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:23 pm

ASLplease ASLplease:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
.... We actually trust each other.......


not entirely true, there are blokes on this website that claim to trust criminals not to shoot them, yet, me - a law abiding duckgun owner with all my safety traing and licensing up to date - they dont trust me.


This message brought to you by our own resident pro gun ownership nutcase who has to keepImage even if it means necro posting in a 5 month old thread.....how pathetic can you get.... :roll:

   



Ruxpercnd @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:02 am

A little update..... I still carry my handgun every day, everywhere. However, last July I got my Springfield Armory M1a rifle, a civilian version of the M14. This is SA's Loaded M1a with a stainless steel barrel. This is like homecoming for an ex-military type like me. I have a couple hundred rounds of NATO surplus 7.62 ammo. My rifle came a little naked, so I got a nice leather sling and mounted a detachable bi-pod. It came with a ten round magazine and I picked up several twenty round magazines. I am saving up for a good rifle scope.

So, can you imagine how surprised I was to find that John Garand, the designer was Canadian! Also, I believe that Canada allows it's citizens to own the original M-14, probably de-militarized? The American government is totally freaked about any original M-14's in civilian hands. Grrrrrrrr!!!!! There is a battle here in the U.S. over gun rights. I am doing my part to be well armed.

I set up a shooting range for air rifles out back and I have had several grandkids shoot some of my smaller handguns, what a kick! I am on a depussification program. I teach the kids gun safety and range rules.

   



ASLplease @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:35 am

i was checking the laws in calgary, a pellet pistol is not illegal the carry because its not a firearm, and it doesnt violate any municipal laws as long as a pellet is never chambered.

I was thinking of oganizing a public awareness day, where owners of pellet pistols wear them as side arms for the day.the purpose of the event could help show the gun phobics out there that it is the common citizen that enjoys target shooting.

perhaps we can get mechanics, lawyers, business men, etc to come forward and say "Hey we are not criminals, and even the image of a side arm on me doesnt make me a criminal"

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:20 am

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:
So, can you imagine how surprised I was to find that John Garand, the designer was Canadian! Also, I believe that Canada allows it's citizens to own the original M-14, probably de-militarized? The American government is totally freaked about any original M-14's in civilian hands. Grrrrrrrr!!!!! There is a battle here in the U.S. over gun rights. I am doing my part to be well armed.


The Canadian Government gave all farmers an M1, back in WWII. Free. "Here, have a rifle!"

I still have my grandfathers' M1 and M1a, both the version with the rear worm screw sight, and the other short barrel 'iron sight' one. Both use the same clips, and same .303 British round.

Owners of M-14s were allowed to keep them; grandfathered in Bill C-68, but you can only transport them to a gun range if you have applied for and received a special transport permit. By some stroke of Liberal shenanigans, there is no government department that will issue you such a permit. So, your M-14 is useless unless you want to become a criminal, once again. And then, there isn't a range in Canada that will permit you to shoot it, because they know you can't possible have a permit to transport it.

   



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