The First Canadians
Omega @ Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:40 pm
Has anyone seen this show on Discovery?
It claims the first humans in the Americas were actually ancient European ice hunters. They came here accidentally via ice flows that took them too far west, landing them on Canadian land that is now underwater off the coast of Newfoundland.
It was very interesting but I can't seem to find anything else about this.
Now white supremists are claiming Caucasians got here first, making this land ours, not Aboriginals. That logic is flawed. I mean, first of all, that was so long ago, it was before Caucasians and Aboriginals even had a chance to evolve into the modern races they are today, so this Caucasian vs. Aboriginal debate is stupid for that reason alone.
Second of all, those ancient Europeans never made it back to Europe to contribute to the gene pool, so Caucasians are not their descendants. In fact, it might be the case they were assimilated by the Aboriginals when they arrived, making them their ancestors, not Europeans.
Can anyone shed some light on this? It's quite confusing.
sasquatch2 @ Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:38 am
Jetboy
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Now white supremists are claiming Caucasians got here first, making this land ours, not Aboriginals. That logic is flawed. I mean, first of all, that was so long ago, it was before Caucasians and Aboriginals even had a chance to evolve into the modern races they are today, so this Caucasian vs. Aboriginal debate is stupid for that reason alone.
Your post illustrates the rigid thinking involved with "intelligent design". Cro-Maglin appeared in Eurasia prior to the last great glaciation.....100,000 BP. Automatic dismissal because it fails your ideology test is lame.
Actually the distances involved from continental shelf to continental shelf are about the same distance as Greenland to Britain. It is know that the Vikings would sail from Cape Farewell, Greenland following the 60th parrallel straight through to Bergen, Norway using primitive (by current standards) ships.
Current FN are genetically identical to Asians (Siberian folk) of similar origins. There is little or no trace of evidence to prove their Alaska "land-bridge" migration except for genetics and the lower sea-levels of the ICE AGE. There is really nothing to discount the migration involved ships from Japan.
Indeed, genetics indicate some South American FN carry polynesian genes, hence have Polynesian ancestry.
For starters artefacts were found in Virginia, not Canada, consistant with the tools associated with Ice Age hunters in Europe. That provides a positive link. These predate any known asian migration.
This also conveniently explains a skeleton found in Washington state, with caucasian features, carbon dated to 34,000 BP. These remains were recovered for reburial by a FN campaign, deliberately preventing further examination........
Certain genomes have been found in some FN which would indicate, these early arrivals were assimillated by the later arrivals. One difficulty is the colonial intermarriage between FN and the French "cour-de-bois".
Perhaps you should adopt reading---a more thorough learning method than the "Discovery Channel". The Discovery Channel has merit only if it inspires further research. Other-wise you are decived easilly by the Suzuki's, Moore's and Gore's of this world.
hwacker @ Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:09 am
$1:
Now white supremists are claiming Caucasians got here first
thats all the light we need to see from you.
sasquatch2 @ Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:18 am
JetBoy
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Now white supremists are claiming Caucasians got here first
Yeah well calm down. This has more to do with FN racism and land claims than white supremacy.
The FN interpret this as possibly weakening their case for all sortsa stuff. The origin of FN is sufficiently venerable so that, even if evidence arises that they came from Mars should surface, it is irrelevant to their claims.
Wada @ Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:28 am
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Jetboy
Your post illustrates the rigid thinking involved with "intelligent design". Cro-Maglin appeared in Eurasia prior to the last great glaciation.....100,000 BP. Automatic dismissal because it fails your ideology test is lame.
Actually the distances involved from continental shelf to continental shelf are about the same distance as Greenland to Britain. It is know that the Vikings would sail from Cape Farewell, Greenland following the 60th parrallel straight through to Bergen, Norway using primitive (by current standards) ships.
Current FN are genetically identical to Asians (Siberian folk) of similar origins. There is little or no trace of evidence to prove their Alaska "land-bridge" migration except for genetics and the lower sea-levels of the ICE AGE. There is really nothing to discount the migration involved ships from Japan.
Indeed, genetics indicate some South American FN carry polynesian genes, hence have Polynesian ancestry.
For starters artefacts were found in Virginia, not Canada, consistant with the tools associated with Ice Age hunters in Europe. That provides a positive link. These predate any known asian migration.
This also conveniently explains a skeleton found in Washington state, with caucasian features, carbon dated to 34,000 BP. These remains were recovered for reburial by a FN campaign, deliberately preventing further examination........
Certain genomes have been found in some FN which would indicate, these early arrivals were assimillated by the later arrivals. One difficulty is the colonial intermarriage between FN and the French "cour-de-bois".
Perhaps you should adopt reading---a more thorough learning method than the "Discovery Channel". The Discovery Channel has merit only if it inspires further research. Other-wise you are decived easilly by the Suzuki's, Moore's and Gore's of this world.
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Now white supremists are claiming Caucasians got here first, making this land ours, not Aboriginals. That logic is flawed. I mean, first of all, that was so long ago, it was before Caucasians and Aboriginals even had a chance to evolve into the modern races they are today, so this Caucasian vs. Aboriginal debate is stupid for that reason alone.
Your post illustrates the rigid thinking involved with "intelligent design". Cro-Maglin appeared in Eurasia prior to the last great glaciation.....100,000 BP. Automatic dismissal because it fails your ideology test is lame.
Actually the distances involved from continental shelf to continental shelf are about the same distance as Greenland to Britain. It is know that the Vikings would sail from Cape Farewell, Greenland following the 60th parrallel straight through to Bergen, Norway using primitive (by current standards) ships.
Current FN are genetically identical to Asians (Siberian folk) of similar origins. There is little or no trace of evidence to prove their Alaska "land-bridge" migration except for genetics and the lower sea-levels of the ICE AGE. There is really nothing to discount the migration involved ships from Japan.
Indeed, genetics indicate some South American FN carry polynesian genes, hence have Polynesian ancestry.
For starters artefacts were found in Virginia, not Canada, consistant with the tools associated with Ice Age hunters in Europe. That provides a positive link. These predate any known asian migration.
This also conveniently explains a skeleton found in Washington state, with caucasian features, carbon dated to 34,000 BP. These remains were recovered for reburial by a FN campaign, deliberately preventing further examination........
Certain genomes have been found in some FN which would indicate, these early arrivals were assimillated by the later arrivals. One difficulty is the colonial intermarriage between FN and the French "cour-de-bois".
Perhaps you should adopt reading---a more thorough learning method than the "Discovery Channel". The Discovery Channel has merit only if it inspires further research. Other-wise you are decived easilly by the Suzuki's, Moore's and Gore's of this world.
One would have thought reading might have helped with your spelling, especially Cro-Magnon.
sasquatch2 @ Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:17 am
Wada
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One would have thought reading might have helped with your spelling, especially Cro-Magnon.
Yeah I would agree. Just noticed that as I was scrolling.
Oh well. I'll plead heat exhaustion. Out watering trees.....just breathing is tiring.....
Smog----not CO2
Clogeroo @ Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:47 am
If more information comes about on this and this theory or idea becomes more accepted if anything it just shows that the Indians here may have a common linkage with settlers from Europe and the Asiatic. I don't really think the Indians here should be getting any special treatment or some sort of recognition for being the so called "first people's" anyway. It doesn't matter to me how long anyone has been here for because it is largely irrelevant. The strong usually survive and it looks to me the most recent wave of Europeans to this continent have dominated it. This will most likely change in the future and perhaps another race or civilisation will begin to establish itself here too. Borders are not fixed and I'm sure through time many nations will grow and collpase just like they have been doing since people first came to this new world and as they have spread across this planet.
Omega @ Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:28 pm
hwacker hwacker:
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Now white supremists are claiming Caucasians got here first
thats all the light we need to see from you.
Um, I disagree with white supremists.
Grab yourself a brain and use it.
Omega @ Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:48 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Your post illustrates the rigid thinking involved with "intelligent design". Cro-Maglin appeared in Eurasia prior to the last great glaciation.....100,000 BP. Automatic dismissal because it fails your ideology test is lame.
WTF are you talking about? This has nothing to do with intelligent design and everything to do with human evolution by happenstance. Cro-magnon were not really the white race you see today and probably decended from an East African orgin.
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Perhaps you should adopt reading---a more thorough learning method than the "Discovery Channel". The Discovery Channel has merit only if it inspires further research. Other-wise you are decived easilly by the Suzuki's, Moore's and Gore's of this world.
You know nothing about me. I posted this thread to learn more and get a different perspective, not to be trolled and lectured on how I don't know enough because I watched a show on Discovery. Thanks for all the information but I didn't ask how the aborigionals got here, as I'm very well aware they came from Asia. I'm more concerned with who evolved into what, where, and when.
DangerMouse @ Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:28 pm
[font=Lucida Console]Idiots like klageroo and "bozo-brain" scientists can waste billions of dollars trying to prove that FN's weren't here when the first european boat people arrived, but, it still won't change the fact that FN's were on this continent at the time of contact.[/font]
RUEZ @ Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:34 pm
DangerMouse DangerMouse:
[font=Lucida Console]Idiots like klageroo and "bozo-brain" [/font]
Blah blah blah
PJB @ Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:50 pm
As much as I see this as an interesting forum, I can only see one final outcome to this. This forum will turn into another FN's versus the rest of us argument as to who was here first.
We all have to face one fact. The British signed treaties with the residents, notice I did not say owners or any other word that may imply claimants, of what is now called North America, yet another term that I feel is stupid,. These treaties grant recognition that these people were here prior to "European" arrival.
We have to live with it and there is not a damn thing we can do about it as long as we have law makers and justices that want to be so damn politically correct and not ever want to offend anyone by questioning the actual history of the inhabitants of this continent.
The natives may or may not have been the first to visit this wonderful country but until we have a government that is willing to question these claims we, that are not first nations, will always be, in the eyes of some, squatters.
KetchupJoe @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:25 pm
Who cares if FN weren't here first...we're here now, and you owe us!
dino_bobba_renno @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:31 pm
KetchupJoe KetchupJoe:
Who cares if FN weren't here first...we're here now, and you owe us!
God I love this guy. If nothing else he is persistent.
KetchupJoe @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:33 pm
Thanks, Dino...nice of you to say.