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blubs @ Tue Feb 04, 2003 10:57 am

Thanks RH for the history lesson .I really appreciate it.I knew there was a comic book out about him in ww11 .Did not know how far he went back till now.I remember that there was a remark mad in the movie "DEVILS BRIGADE" where the Canadain commander told a Yank that it was a disparaging remake and not to use it again or something like that .A few years ago I was in UTAH filling up my rig . When a "YANK" cmae up and said "not another Canuck" that sorta riled me no end I would have laid him out if not for the fact we Canucks are polite and I would had to say I am sorry after every punch. Anyways loved that history lesson keep it up.

   



RoyalHighlander @ Tue Feb 04, 2003 1:02 pm

Gangrenous Gangrenous:
thanks for the history lesson about Johnny Canuck, RH. I have my great grandfathers diary from WW1, where he fought in the trenches of France for a year. There are several mentions of Johnny Canuck in his diary that I never realized what they meant.

I sent you a PM on this idea, but I thought I would [post it to see if there were any others here who would maybe like to read some of his diary. If you have poermission, and have the time i thought that it would be right on target for the History Forum to be able to read what he wrote so very many years ago. The younger ones here might find it very interesting to see what he had to go through in the trenches in WW 1. Any ways its just a thought but myself i would love to be able to read from it....

   



Gangrenous @ Tue Feb 04, 2003 5:13 pm

I gave you a little more detail RH, but basically to everyone else out there that IS interested, I'm out of town for the next 2 weeks and won't have access to his diary. But when I get home it will be a priority, and I will post some of it for everyone. It was definately an experience I would not want to go thru.......

   



RoyalHighlander @ Tue Feb 04, 2003 6:44 pm

when you come back and start posting it , You can start a new thread in the history forum, that only you will post in, meaning you will post excerpts of you grand fathers diary, and hopefulloy our members will; hold off on the comments until you get a bit of it done for us to see.. Thanks buddy, Im so looking forward to it.

   



Regina @ Wed Feb 05, 2003 1:40 pm

Great idea :!: :!:

   



RoyalHighlander @ Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:07 pm

Regina Regina:
Great idea :!: :!:

No kidding, this is an opportunity for our younger members to see what sacrafice is all about. Plus it looks to be inyersting as hell too. I for one can hardly wait

   



Aaron @ Sat Mar 01, 2003 6:42 pm

Interesting about JC's (comic book) origin..

   



C-A-N-A-D-I-A-N @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:25 pm

Well I guess the posting of the diary never panned out...

   



Newfie Scott @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:06 pm

Excerpt from my history term paper last semester. (I did it on Sir Sam Hughes and WW1). For your viewing pleasure, the section on the infamous Ross Rifle

$1:
Hughes was the master of many bad equipment purchases. The most major mess-up of HughesÂ’ was the Ross Rifle. This rifle, designed by Sir Charles Ross, a friend of Hughes, and manufactured in Quebec City, was the first rifle designed and built in Canada. Hughes belief in the effectiveness of the Ross Rifle would blind him to the deficiencies of the weapon, so much to the point that he would make itÂ’s creator an honorary colonel along with the rest of his political allies.

In September 1913, the Ross Rifle was fielded by the Royal Canadian Regiment for tests. The Regiment reported that the Rifle had many flaws, including a badly constructed magazine, a poor feeding mechanism, and a safety catch that would cut the thumb of the soldier using the rifle. The Regiment did file a full report on the rifle, however, as its conclusions did not agree with the opinions of higher powers, the report, and the flaws of the rifle were largely ignored [1] . The straight pull-lever of the Ross Rifle would also easily jam with heavy usage or under dirty conditions [2] .

With its many defects still existent, the Ross would be deployed overseas with the Canadian Expeditionary Force in 1914, since Hughes believed in it, and also because Canadian commanders were unable to get any rifles from the British, who were short on supplies.

The troops were not fans of the Ross Rifle. One army driver commented, “To hell with the [Ross Rifle]. I’ll take a club,” as well as another comment that accused the government of nothing less than murder for not replacing the weapon [3]. The commanding officer of the Canadian Corps in 1915, Sir Edwin Alderson, agreed with his men on the performance of the rifle. He withdrew the Ross from service without the consent of Hughes on the grounds that the rifle was a danger to the safety of the men using it. The rifles were replaced with the British Lee Enfield.

Upon hearing of the move to the British weapon, Hughes was outraged and called the reasons put forth by Alderson for the removal of the Ross from service as “absolutely absurd and ridiculous.” [4] In essence, Hughes ignorance to the truth about the Ross can be contributed to his lack of use of the rifle. Hughes, despite dressing up like a military officer while being Minister of the Militia, was nothing more than a civilian. Therefore, he never did have to use the rifle in combat.

In 1916, the Ross Rifle was no longer in service with the Canadian military, with the exception of snipers, which was the only thing that the Ross was good for. It would leave service with its major defects, despite over eighty modifications to the design of the rifle.


[1] R.C. Fetherstonhaugh. The Royal Canadian Regiment 1883-1933. (1936) P191

[2] Bercuson. The Patricias. (2001) P31

[3] Pierre Berton: Marching As to War (2002). P138

[4] Ibid.

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Apologies for the bad footnotes, they were what killed me on the marking of the term paper. A tip to all those who intend to do history courses in university, DO NOT PULL AN ALL NIGHTER. You tend to forget to do some things properly ;)

   



C-A-N-A-D-I-A-N @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:12 pm

Hmmmm... good to know... The Ross was a good rifle for good conditions, I have studied the Lee though and would have to say that it was/is by far the better rifle.

   



Newfie Scott @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:23 pm

For WW1, the Ross was the worse rifle by far. Using it as a sporting rifle, however, it was one of the best as that was what it was designed as with Hughes being an avid sportsman, hence why he thought the world of it. If he had to use it in combat, he would have learned differently, but alas, Hughes was just a civilian who wore a military uniform, he never actually did the job the uniform encompasses (and by that I mean fighting in the trenches alongside his "men").

   



C-A-N-A-D-I-A-N @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:37 pm

LOL! What leader does/did/has?

   



Navy141 @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:51 pm

There are some, they are few and far between, but you are sure glad when you get them!

   



RoyalHighlander @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:10 pm

The Ross WAS a good weapon, its drawback was the tolerences were TOO close and any dirt would cause a jam,,

   



Navy141 @ Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:15 pm

Dirt would cause it to jam eh? Hmm, so I am thinking that this might be a bad thing in trench warfare *sarcasm* 8O

   



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