Arrow's options

After the cancelation of the Arrow. Why didn't they tried to sell the project to England. I beleived that if England would have came here with the intention of persuing the project, they could have saved the birds. Afterall soon after the Arrow was cancelled, the UK tried their own version of a long range interceptor, the TSR2.

And even if they really couldn't save the Arrow, why didn't they try to sell the Iroquoi engine on the international market. The Avro Arrow got scrapped not the Orenda Iroquoi. I bet if they would have tried that, Orenda would still be around today. Today's jet engines are still bearing the Iroquoi's design. Even if Defeinbaker cancelled the Arrow. Crawford killed the Arrow. He didn't even tried to save the project or parts of it. He just fired everybody. What gets me is that the Arrow was cancelled on a Friday, and some engineer reported to work (at NASA, Boeing, the Concorde project) on monday.

Well the project they try to do was abandoned too. These year's were bad for military aviation not only in canada, I thinck that this is in these years that britain cancelled most of its military aviation developpement. This period was the beginning of the missile and they belive that interceptor where useless. Its also rare to see military aircraft been continued by another country. Also the arrow was build for Canadian whit big area to cover, britain is much more smaller. The arrow was also build to intercep bombers not fighters, I don't think he was really maneovrable. For the engine I don't understand, (in fact I don't even want to understand why the airplane was cancelled, It look so stupid now).

Le projet militaire essayer par les britanniques a été si je me rappelle bien abandonné tout comme presque tout les avions militaires britanique en développement à l'époque ( remarquer que les deux derniers avions que les britanniques ont conçu sont fait conjointement avec d'autre pays, panavia tornado et eurofighter typhoon, donc ils ont grandement perdu de leur industrie aéronautique eu aussi). Cette période était celle des missiles, on les croyais capable de remplacer les intercepteurs (un missile russe était supposé toucher 90% du temps ses cibles, en réalité entre 3 et 5%). Et j'ai jamais entendu de projet militaire qui ont été transféré comme ca d'un pays à l'autre (ca doit être très complexe). Le arrow était aussi conçu pour les canadiens, pour l'artique, de vaste étendu inabité, la bretagne elle est petite et il peut y avoir des chasseurs ennemis ce contre quoi le arrow n'était pas fait pour, c'était un intercepteur de bombardier, je ne pense pas qu'il disposait de la manevrabilité suffisante malgré son imposante aile. Pour ce qui est du moteur je ne comprend pas pourquoi il a été abandonner, en fait je ne veux pas comprendre pourquoi le arrow l'a été ( c'est argument nous parraîsse tellement mauvais aujourd'hui). Tout comme pour le premier avion de transport nord américains. Pouquoi à-t-on tant de "could have been" dans l'histoire aéronautique canadienne.

i have a book on arrow and according to the writer, the french and english wanted the iroquois engines (which they got in the end by having iroquois engineers design the engines for the concorde; we canadians sure know a winner when we see one) but the gov't didn't want to spend the money to get them certified and ready for export. Whose side are these guys on anyways!

More like what planet was Diefenbaker on? The guy is one of the great mysteries of Canadian politics. Nobody can reasonably believe that he was an unpatriotic Canadian, he was a diehard Canadian! But he was against the Maple Leaf flag, not too keen on bilingualism, and killed the Arrow!! One factor that has been suggested was that AVRO was located in Toronto, a place which Dief hated. I'm not saying we should all love T.O., but this kind of narrowmindedness is a major-THE major- Canadian disease!
On the other hand, it was the liberals and Louis St. Laurent who basically killed the AVRO Jetliner a few years before the Arrow, and in its own way the Jetliner was an amazing aircraft too! It all just makes me wanna cry...

Some other things to keep in minfd when talking about the arrow:

one, interest was stoped (according to the official story) because of long range missiles, as was already mentioned. That goes not only for Americian interest in the project, but also for Canadian, British, etc. so we could have tried to sell our engines to other countries but not many nations would have wanted them. the other side of that is of course the theory that the americans did not want anyone to have any of the technology related to the arrow

also, there is also the story of the Avrocar, basically a man made flying saucer, that was being develpoed at the same time. It had a bunch of problems and the project was a flop. a big double blow like that is hard on any company,

I have to agree with you about the avrocar, dgthe3. That was a complete turkey. Canadians should take pride in the Arrow and the Jetliner, and the Canuck too, but the avrocar could barely get off the ground and had severe stability problems.

I don't think cancelling the avrocar really hurt the company, though. The avrocar programme had a very small budget compared to the Arrow, and when the Arrow was killed there was simply no reason for Avro to continue existing.