HISTORY OF THE MIDDLE FINGER
Blue_Nose @ Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:49 pm
The Hoser The Hoser:
Dayseed,
If I were a French soldier during the 100 Years War, I would sleep tighter knowing that any and all prisoners skilled in the use of an English Longbow would never again, should they gain freedom, be able to use said Longbow. (Though, if I were a French soldier, I would be counting my blessings the English never widly used the Composite Bow)
Think of it as giving the French a sense of closure... Maybe they didn't kill them outright because 5,000 English soldiers can be quite the barganning chip, if it ever came to that.
If I were a French soldier during the 100 Years War, I would sleep tighter knowing that any and all prisoners skilled in the use of an English Longbow would never again, should they gain freedom, be able to use said Longbow. (Though, if I were a French soldier, I would be counting my blessings the English never widly used the Composite Bow)
Think of it as giving the French a sense of closure... Maybe they didn't kill them outright because 5,000 English soldiers can be quite the barganning chip, if it ever came to that.
Speculation'll get you nowhere
kerfuffled @ Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:01 pm
Don't you guys realize, this is time you'll never get back? 
Blue_Nose @ Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:04 pm
kerfuffled kerfuffled:
Don't you guys realize, this is time you'll never get back?
It'll grow back.....
HockeyBabe @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:34 am
nice...
Dayseed @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:51 pm
The Hoser The Hoser:
Dayseed,
If I were a French soldier during the 100 Years War, I would sleep tighter knowing that any and all prisoners skilled in the use of an English Longbow would never again, should they gain freedom, be able to use said Longbow. (Though, if I were a French soldier, I would be counting my blessings the English never widly used the Composite Bow)
Think of it as giving the French a sense of closure... Maybe they didn't kill them outright because 5,000 English soldiers can be quite the barganning chip, if it ever came to that.
If I were a French soldier during the 100 Years War, I would sleep tighter knowing that any and all prisoners skilled in the use of an English Longbow would never again, should they gain freedom, be able to use said Longbow. (Though, if I were a French soldier, I would be counting my blessings the English never widly used the Composite Bow)
Think of it as giving the French a sense of closure... Maybe they didn't kill them outright because 5,000 English soldiers can be quite the barganning chip, if it ever came to that.
Battle at Agincourt here dude, French didn't win. And Blue Nose is right, you're speculating. Simply put, you're arguing against what the heralds wrote about the battle and you're wrong to boot.
This isn't politics we're discussing, it's the Battle at Agincourt, there's objective fact you're dismissing.
The Hoser @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:56 pm
Erm... I don't recall saying anything about the Battle of Agincourt, I meant in the 100 Years War in general...
Dayseed @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:58 pm
Hoser,
Fine then, historically substantiate your argument that the French armies would have engaged in prisoner mutilation for ransom. Feel free to find contemporaneous accounts of it.
I don't know why you feel compelled to defend an internet hoax, but hey, chacun son gout.
The Hoser @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:02 pm
Dayseed,
Do you have to turn every last-minuite-thought into an argument? I do not have any evidence, nor do I give enough of a shit to dig some up. All I said is that any intellegent combatent would do they're damn best to make sure that the captive archers could never, EVER, draw back a deadly English Longbow, ever agian.
Good day.
Tman1 @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:04 pm
The Knights Code of Chivalry. Medieval warfare had specific rules of engagment.
The Hoser @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:05 pm
Was every French soldier a knight? Did every knight obey the laws of Chivalry?
HockeyBabe @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:06 pm
I second that!!
Dayseed @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm
Wow, your posts blow when you're flustered. And secondly, don't post unsubstantiated opinions that fly in the face of historical reality and cry foul when they're challenged. If you think that using a 21st century mentality to evaluate possible actions a 15th century French commander would make on a battlefield is acceptable, you're simpy wrong.
Besides, weren't you the one waaahing about the dearth of chivalry, yet you want the French to mutilate and murder disarmed opponents because you think it's keen?
Tman1 @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:09 pm
The Hoser The Hoser:
Was every French soldier a knight? Did every knight obey the laws of Chivalry?
Probably not but it wouldn't look good in the eyes of god or their oath as a Knight. Their piety would also be challenged. French feudalism was different than English.
Dayseed @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:11 pm
Tman,
The point I've been trying to make. And I even acknowledged that Henry murdered the captured French before departing for Calais.
The Hoser @ Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:15 pm
Dayseed,
Perhaps you are correct, perhaps I am wrong. As I have previously stated, my knowladge of the Middle Ages is not what it should be, and I try my best to learn whereever I can. The majority of my 100 Years War knowledge comes from a bit of research, and a few books by Bernard Cornwell, which are about as historically accurate as Fiction can get. I never said that the French DID, I just said that it is entirly possible, as it would make sense for a wise general to try eliminate any future threat. Let say, hypothetically, 1,000 or so English prisoners in a French camp escape/and or rescued, that is just 1,000 more archers or footmen to the English cause. However, without a finger or a hand or the like, said soldier can never again fight, even if freed.
There may or may not be any historical evidence of this, I'm just saying that, from a millitary standpoint, it would make sense and, thus, I do not rule it out as a possibility.