Canada Kicks Ass
All F-117 Stealth Fighters are Decommissioned

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Ruxpercnd @ Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:59 pm

Wow! I wasn't aware this was happening...

How about if Canada buys these things for a song.... and Canada could have it's own stealth squadron?


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-s ... 9567.story

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AEROSPACE
Stealth fighters fly off the radar

The last F-117A Night Hawks in the U.S. arsenal get a low-profile send-off before being decommissioned.
By Peter Pae, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

April 23, 2008


Not everyone missed out on today's top-secret passing of one of the world's most mysterious aircrafts.

Gareth Goetz, an Anaheim mortgage broker, was one of 100 cheering aviation buffs who gathered in Palmdale at a makeshift viewing spot just outside the gates of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s defense plant.

Many in the crowd drove hours to catch a view of the last four F-117A Night Hawk stealth fighter jets in the nation's arsenal as they made their final flight before heading off for mothballing at a remote desert base in Nevada.

Because the F-117A's stealth technology is still considered classified, the public was not allowed to attend a private retirement ceremony inside the base.

The Pentagon was attempting to keep even the last flight top secret, much the way the plane has flown since it was conceived 30 years ago.

So the crowd employed a stealth maneuver of its own and met at BJ's Corner bar just outside the western edge of the complex to catch a peek.

"That was incredible," said Goetz, who drove two hours to watch the less than one-minute take-off. "I have some free time these days so I wanted to see the last flight. It's historic."

In an early afternoon ceremony, the crowd looked on in silence as the black, kite-like planes took off one by one, led by a jet whose undercarriage was painted with the American flag. Each fighter flew over a throng of about 100 cheering aviation buffs who had gathered at a makeshift viewing spot just outside the base. In formation, the planes then circled back and flew overhead before heading east to their final resting spot.

The send-off began shortly after 1,000 former and current employees of Lockheed Martin's famed Skunk Works held a tribute to the aircraft they had developed, built and maintained, virtually all shrouded in secrecy.

"It's now time to say farewell, farewell to an old friend," said George Zielsdorff, Lockheed's vice president for the F-117A program, as employees signed their names on the bomb-bay doors of the four planes parked in front of Building 601. Inside sat the next generation of stealth fighter jets, F-22 Raptors. With the introduction of the F-22, the Pentagon decided to retire the F-117As in 2006.

Beginning in 1981 and until 1990, Lockheed assembled 59 Night Hawks, most of them in total secrecy, in a hanger next to the Burbank airport. Later, Lockheed continued to upgrade the fleet at its complex in Palmdale. The Air Force did not acknowledge its existence until about a decade after it began flying.

The single-seat F-117 was the first plane that could evade radar detection; It was designed to fly into heavily defended areas to knock out radar installations and anti-aircraft missile batteries, clearing the way for other fighters and bombers. It was also used to destroy military command and communication centers. During its development, the F-117 flew only at night to avoid prying eyes and Soviet spy satellites, thus its name: Night Hawk.

Reporters who attended today's retirement ceremony were kept 75 feet from the plane and were not allowed to go beyond a roped-off area.

The retired fleet will be housed at a high security base about 140 miles northwest of Las Vegas.

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saturn_656 @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:05 am

Its a bad idea for a few reasons...

1) The stealth behind the F-117 is three decades old and is a "dead end" branch of the stealth technology. Notice no other stealth aircraft the US operates (F-22, F-35, B-2) uses the facet method. There is undoubtably a good reason for that. We are better off waiting a few years for the F-35.

2) F-117 tech is not only outdated, but also heavily compromised. Serbia shot one down and sent all the little bits to Russia for analysis. I'm betting the latest Russian SAMS would not give the F-117 as easy of a time as it had in the past. The Americans really fucked up here by not destroying the wreckage, I don't know what the hell they were thinking.

3) The Canadian Forces are on a tight budget, and the first generation F-117 stealth tech is maintenance heavy and expensive. What will we have to sacrifice (or cut back on) for these thirty year old planes?

   



Ruxpercnd @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:27 am

saturn_656 saturn_656:
Its a bad idea for a few reasons...

1) The stealth behind the F-117 is three decades old and is a "dead end" branch of the stealth technology. Notice no other stealth aircraft the US operates (F-22, F-35, B-2) uses the facet method. There is undoubtably a good reason for that. We are better off waiting a few years for the F-35.

Well... the planes are still in "top secret" status, even as retired planes. And note that new U.S. Navy ships are using the facet method... no more WWII looking stuff.[/quote]


saturn_656 saturn_656:
2) F-117 tech is not only outdated, but also heavily compromised. Serbia shot one down and sent all the little bits to Russia for analysis. I'm betting the latest Russian SAMS would not give the F-117 as easy of a time as it had in the past. The Americans really fucked up here by not destroying the wreckage, I don't know what the hell they were thinking.
I believe that the Serbs got a visual on the plane... phoned ahead... and they got a lucky shot. Do the Russians have a stealth fighter? And the F-117 saw a lot of combat over Iraq... not one was shot down. If the Russians developed better radar, then they didn't share it with Saddam.


saturn_656 saturn_656:
3) The Canadian Forces are on a tight budget, and the first generation F-117 stealth tech is maintenance heavy and expensive. What will we have to sacrifice (or cut back on) for these thirty year old planes?

Agreed, that they would be expensive to operate.

Anyway, the future of combat aviation is UAV's. Even U.S. Airforce is having a hard time accepting that. Sec Def, Gates, just hammered the Airforce for not moving ahead with UAV technology. The F-22's are too expensive for Americans. There may not be a long, full production run. We will see plenty of F-35's around.

The F-117 was designed to meet the Russians on the plains of Europe in knock down, smash mouth tank battles, to take out radar and missile batteries. A battle that never happened, certainly a measure of success. We are still flying B-52's (old planes), battleships have been pulled out of mothballs several times. I believe the F-117 will fly again, probably re-fitted with new radar killing electronics.

I saw an aerial photo once... of P-52 Mustangs stacked up in the desert like cordwood. Just about made me want to cry. I hope they treat the F-117's with a little more respect.

   



xerxes @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:59 am

The Russian also shot down the stealth fighter because they got a radar lock when its bomb-bay door was open coupled with a new SAM system that they hadn't gotten to try during the Cold War

   



BartSimpson @ Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:12 am

New anti-air missiles are being developed that home in on the radar profile of a passing aircrafts wake, or Doppler compression waves, instead of the aircraft itself. The F-117 would be a slow and easy target for such a missile and taking it out of service makes sense.

Consequently, some of the designs from a few years back that could theoretically pass a few meters over your head at barely subsonic speeds without mussing your hair have become more than mere novelties.

The next generation of fighters will be both stealthy and extremely low drag - which makes UAV's even more attractive as they do not require bulky cockpits to mess up a drag profile.

   



Johnny_Utah @ Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:50 pm

xerxes xerxes:
The Russian also shot down the stealth fighter because they got a radar lock when its bomb-bay door was open coupled with a new SAM system that they hadn't gotten to try during the Cold War

I recall it was the Serbs during the Kosovo War and yes it was a lucky shot..

   



xerxes @ Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:54 pm

Serbs using Russian donated equipment. Why do you think the Russians were the first ones into the Yuogslav capital? To get their observers out of theatre.

   



commanderkai @ Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:04 pm

I've heard of this before and all I can do is salute. Those things were the first generation of fighter/bombers that have led us to get the B-2, F-22A, and the F-35Cs. They served their purpose, and they did a good job. They're old, and they deserve their place.

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Thanos @ Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:56 pm

I'm figuring that with a resurgent Russian military out there poking around in the high Arctic that Canada is better served by having something along the lines of a interceptor/bomber that can shadow the large Russian bomber/spy planes as well as attack ships. Panavia Tornado anyone? Are they what we might be interested in to replace the CF-18's?

   



Canadian_Mind @ Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:48 pm

no

   



Rable2136 @ Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:59 am

Did you just wake up out of a comma or something? lol the F-117 were decommisioned a while ago. But even if we had enough money to buy those things (which we don't) it'll be stupid..they're outdated and the only people we'd be spying on is Afghan..

   



ridenrain @ Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:54 am

We can put them on our subs... :D

   



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