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I saw that before. thats what originally got me rolling. it would be a moe aero-dynamic design if the nose was slightly enlogated. could also stick a pair of canards on there for manuverability.

   

The Arrow was big with a very sound basic design. LOTS of potential for development, although I'm not sure that it could ever be made into a pure dogfighter.

It still looks like the perfect machine for patrolling Canadian airspace, though.

   

So here I go showing my age .

I worked for a company named 'Ferranti' in England. Ferranti was involved in designing and manufacturing hush hush military stuff. For 2 years the work I was involved with was code named the 'platform job'. One day (can't remember the date) I arrived for work and my department entrance was locked, no one could get in. My work area was off limits for two days.

When we were allowed back in, all the work, drawings, special tools, electronic test equipment were gone .

Everyone was re assigned to different projects.

Years later I found out that the 'platform job' was part of the Avro Arrow.
Ferranti were designing and testing some of the avionics.

Some of this technology ended up in the Concord.

Frank

   

You sure can nuke an entire country, but you hardly fight terrorism, and not to mention that by doing it you worth nothing more than these dumbasses who strap explosives on themselves to murder innocent civilians.

   

No one wants to nuke the terrorists, we just want to drop pigshit on them from a Sopwith Camel.

Two problems solved. The terrorists get shat upon, the pig farmers get rid of the pigshit.

Pork anyone?

   

I'm guessing our frugal gov. will be looking at something like this, for our marine patrol tasks.

Just imagine how many friends and insiders could benefit from all the money that was saved.

   

you know what I found intresting? The states came out with many supersonic planes juring the sixties with many design resemblances to the arrow. anyone see that mach 3 bomber? froget what it was called, the Valkier or summat. Anyways, most american planes took many design laps afterwards that were first used on the arrow, some being: fly by wire, "delta" wings, electronically controled firing systems, internal weapons storage... etc. You may call me a conspiracy theorist, but someone made money off the arrow that wasn't scrapped.

   

The XB-70 Valkyre, which was scrapped (the MiG-27 was designed to intercept this aircraft). Many planes of that era are similar. The British TSR.2 looks very similar to Arrow and was actually scrapped for similar reasons (dumbass politicians). The Delta Dart and Delta Dagger were both attemps of the US to develop a delta winged aricraft with similar performance to the CF-105, though neither was a particularily good aircraft. A lot of the designers from Avro ended up working for big US companies, including NASA (a former Avro employee helped spearhead the Apollo space program).

   

Everything that came after the Arrow that is similar to it didn't need to be based on the arrow's design. If one group of engineers can come up with a few good ideas, when can't another group get a similar idea a little bit later? It is always said that the Arrow was ahead of it's time, so why the suprise when some of it's design features show up on other aircraft about 10 years later? And since many employees of A.V.Roe aerospace found themselves out of work, they all needed to go somewhere and do something, and possibly get the spirit of their 'baby' to live on in other designs, such as the Concord and F-4 Phantom. It's no mystery why
design innovations from the Arrow showed up, just a bit of a mystery as to why exactly the Arrow was so thoughly cancelled

   

We’ve been down this road before – You don’t know why it was cancelled, but history certainly does. This is hardly esoteric knowledge to students of good Canadian history.

   

Relax Mustang, i'm not going to go there again, at least not here and now. Perhaps i am the only person who believes that there could be a discrepency between the recorded history of the Avro Arrow and the actual history of it. If that is the case then i am sorry. However, i believe it is historically accurate that conspiracie theories surrounding the Arrow existed long before i was born. In other words, some (including, but not exclusive to, myself) believe that there were slightly mysterious circumstances surrounding the Arrows cancelation and destruction. Therefore, to some, there is a bit of mystery as to why the arrow was canceled.

But you are correct, i don't know why it was cancelled. I shall not dare to say that i do know, or attempt to explain my opinion as to why it was cancelled. All i will say is that i think that what you think happened to the Arrow and why is mostly correct, but not completely.

Now, can this thread get back to where it was before this talk of the Arrow? I seem to have gotten things a little off track, sorry folks.

   

Just as someone once said about the F-4 phantom during the time of Vietnam...

"Proof positive that america can build anything.. just give it enough horsepower and we can even make a brick fly..."

   

Oh, there are discrepancies that exist within the historical record, but they aren’t Hollywood conspiracy ones or Internet geopolitical drivel. Lots of historically unaware people desperately want to subscribe to a grand secrete plot involving the Arrow’s cancellation but their theories are merely personal ideas unsubstantiated by evidence. They can speculate that aliens built the pyramids, the moon landings were faked and that there was a nefarious plot perpetuated by a super secret cabal of American government officials and aircraft industry elites that was bent on cancelling the Arrow. The one glaring problem is that these individuals are wrong. They offer no substantial, verifiable, academic and accessible evidence to support their suppositions. Sorry.



Like what?



Some believe that Hitler moved to Buenos Aries after the war and that extraterrestrials helped the Maya with their pyramid construction, but so what? All that demonstrates is that ignorance can be ubiquitous.



Then read some good historical works and address this problem.



And yet you offer nothing even remotely tangible or persuasive (either in the primary historical record or the secondary narrative) that legitimately calls the standard historical narrative into serious question. This is hardly good scholarship and smacks of intellectual denial. Read the orthodox sources first before trying to push your ahistorical conspiracy theory fluff.

   

I don't because you either won't care or won't listen and because i don't feel like getting into a debate about this, as i have already stated. Get the last word in if you must, but arguing over this is utterly pointless as neither one of us will be able to even slightly change the other persons mind no matter what we say. It is a waste of my time to explain myself and it is a waste of time your time to attempt to convince me that i am wrong (since i am so ignorant and stupid). So lets agree to both shut up and think that the other is wrong (it will be as hard for me as it will be for you)

Find somone else to debate with, i'm not interested today. Besides, we pretty much exhausted this one a few months ago any way. I don't think i will be able to add any new information from what i put back then.

   

Yes, but at the end of it your people are alive and their people are dead.

Protecting one's country is not always an easy nor enviable thing to do, never the less, it is a duty that once embarked upon is shirked at the peril of one's nation.

   

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