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This is just typical Canadian Nationalist, Anti-American fear mongering. True, Harper hasn't stood up to the US. Why should he? What have they done to us that requires "standing up to?" Don't say softwood lumber, because that dispute has raged for about a decade now, and the Libs have done squat about it. They didn't even pay any attention to the issue until they were reduced to a minority and saw that a bit of good ole America bashing was a solid electoral tactic. When you're lamenting Canada's treatment on that issue, just remember that Brian Mulroney was usually able to solve issues like that with a phone call to Reagan in the 80's.

And as for BMD, Hwacker's right. The US never asked Canada for a penny towards it. And Paul Martin by the way, was a supporter of the program, until his Quebec caucus threatened to revolt over the matter and he had to change direction overnight. That was one of the issues that led to his moniker, "Mr Dithers."

   

Show me where in the Constitution of the United states is there the right to create the BMD at any cost? I am sure you could create a spurious argument about the right to bear arms has something to do with it somewhere but where do you see this program as a cornerstone of America?

I do not want anything to do with it. I do not want to pay for it. I do not want yet another excuse to have more war without demand or account. I do not want a SOCIALIST make work program for corporate arms manufactures that can blow trillions of dollars.



A fair question. One that deserves a fair answer. Perhaps the base of his support would react to such a move as Anti-Americanism rather than critical thinking at flawed plans. No plan it without flaws but when they are huge there should be an outcry. Not to slam but to ask hard questions about direction and what we want out of it, that is all.


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Now mid you the US has great ideas but some need to be scrapped.



I agree.

I disagree.



Why should they? It's not like they would trust us with something that important to them. The intent from the beginning is to sell the brand name. Giving out freebies is all apart of getting you hooked like a junkie. Once it is in place it's a done deal and the cost is not in dollars at that point.



Yes he was and it was only to score points did he side against it. That is why if either Martin or Harper get a majority we will get it no matter what arguments may be brought up and that was my point all along.

   

quote="Scape"
Show me where in the Constitution of the United states is there the right to create the BMD at any cost? I am sure you could create a spurious argument about the right to bear arms has something to do with it somewhere but where do you see this program as a cornerstone of America?

Where did I say it's a Constitutional issue or a "cornerstone of America." It's a matter of American defence policy, nothing more. And they can enact any polciy they like. The question is whether Canada should go along for the ride, that's all.

Personally, I think it's a fairly ludicrous project myself. Not for the same reasons you do though. It amazes me that Bush believes he can wage two wars in the middle east, maintain a significant military presence in Asia as a bulwark against North Korea, then sink billions and billions into an unproven (and probably unworkable) project like BMD, and expect not to break the bank in the process. But if they want to go ahead with it, Canada's not going to stop them. And they only asked for our input and moral support. They didn't ask for money. In the interest of a seamless, North American defence policy and good neighbourly relations, I think we should have gone along.

I read through your link and I fail to see where anything there can be contrued as "anti-Canadian." If I missed something, then draw my attention to it.

   

BMD is stoking a fire that could burn us all. We could have encouraged other ways to approach this other than playing with toys. There comes a point when such weapon development becomes so expensive to become unfeasible.



But this is the thinking that will fan the flames to kill us all. It's leads to the, "You must destroy a village to save it" thinking where the village is earth. That is anti-Canadian because it will kill us all. Do we have a say in it? Most defiantly, by not encouraging ludicrous ideas of grandeur. To be a true ally to the US we have to find the strength to tell them when they have a bad idea.

   

Unless it really works and no men have to go to war, they just have to control the joystick and watch the cities burn like ants under a magnifying glass.

All lefties should be in favor of this, seeing how they don’t like to go to war, this way they will never have to.

   

Do stand up Hwacker, your missing your calling.

   

The quotes you've cited and the article you've linked actually lead to me support BMD rather than oppose it. After all, if a weaponization of space, and reinvigorated Russia is emerging, I want the US to be the baddest kid on the block. Whether we like it or not, the Americans are the good guys. They always will be as far as Canada is concerned because our futures are inextricably linked by geography and economics.

   

Have you considered such an escalation of force by the US has made Russia invest the 56 Billion in the 1st place? As the article stated:

Isn't the flip side of that argument also true? IE:

Does this not lead to an endless and ultimately pointless cycle?

The Economic Consequences of the Peace: by John Maynard Keynes 1919

My point is this is leading to an endless escalation of force and the cost will crush economies. The last time we did this we created Hitler. What are we creating this time?

   

Scape, I'm not going to read through 7 chapters of Keneysian economic theory in an attempt to find a point you deem relevant to the debate. Just quote the writings you think are important.

I disagree that "the last time we did this we created Hitler." The last time we did this it was called the Cold War. And Reagan won that one for us by the end of the 80's. Remember?

Russia's not going to engage the west in that kind of nonsense again anyway. They need US dollars and investment way too much. Russia's Imperial designs are history.

   

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