NATO partners won't fight
Richard @ Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:30 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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Think about it folks...We have never had a draft so, our army, navy and air force are voluntary.
We have had conscription.
If you read your history you will note the reason for that in ww1 and ww2 was Quebec. Less then 5% of eligible men join the army because they didn't believe they should have to fight overseas... ie help the British.
Taz0427 @ Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:58 am
I wish countries like Britain & Canada pulled out of the U.N. & NATO cus they are the only ones who do their bit, the commonwealth was better & fairer, I would personally love for Brtain to leave the E.U. we would be much better off.
Brenda @ Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:13 am
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I wish countries like Britain & Canada pulled out of the U.N. & NATO cus they are the only ones who do their bit
Yeah, right...
Numure @ Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:11 am
I think everyone here fails to realise, the huge divide created in the aftermath of Iraq between Europe and North America. What's happenning in Afghanistan, is only a manifestation of that divide. Europe answered the call after 9/11. They've contributed money, and troops, for the initial invasion.
An occupation is outside of the NATO mandate, and they have NO obligation to contribute.
They did their part during the invasion, and now the rest would of been out of good will. But alas, Iraq divide the West. And that divide is growing every year.
RUEZ @ Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:53 am
Brenda Brenda:
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I wish countries like Britain & Canada pulled out of the U.N. & NATO cus they are the only ones who do their bit
Yeah, right...
george123 @ Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:59 am
What our NATO allies in the north do not realise is that if we in the south can not stop the Taliban from re-imerging and taking controll back, the north will be fighting for it's life. They will get dragged in, it is just a matter of time.
Even if they sent troops to defend what we take, that would be enough. We are streaching out too much trying to fight and defend, that both will soon be too dificult. The Taliban could just watch for an attack, then walk around to the other side where we have shortened up so we could attack a new target. I really don't want those asscackes dancing around us in Kandahar like the frickin dirtcapades.
If the rest of NATO will even just watch our backs, that would be enough.
ridenrain @ Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:52 am
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Herding Cats
February
4, 2007: The perils of multinational peacekeeping were demonstrated recently in Afghanistan. The 1,900 Dutch troops there refused to take part in operations to destroy poppy crops (which are used to produce opium and heroin.) The government is trying to destroy these crops, but Dutch officials don't agree with the way the Afghans are going about it and, basically, refuse requests to help. The Afghans also have problems with some NATO contingents, like the 3,000 German troops, which refuse to fight the Taliban. This is because the German government does not agree with how the Afghan government is dealing with the Taliban. Several other national contingents in Afghanistan have their own rules for how to operate, and the Afghan government has to learn to live with it, as do the other NATO contingents. This is a common situation in multinational peacekeeping operations. That's because nations will not give up all control over their troops. The main reason is nationalism, politics back home, and media eager to exploit any of this. Commanders of multinational peacekeeping
organizations have to cope, and learn how to "herd cats."
February
4, 2007: The perils of multinational peacekeeping were demonstrated recently in Afghanistan. The 1,900 Dutch troops there refused to take part in operations to destroy poppy crops (which are used to produce opium and heroin.) The government is trying to destroy these crops, but Dutch officials don't agree with the way the Afghans are going about it and, basically, refuse requests to help. The Afghans also have problems with some NATO contingents, like the 3,000 German troops, which refuse to fight the Taliban. This is because the German government does not agree with how the Afghan government is dealing with the Taliban. Several other national contingents in Afghanistan have their own rules for how to operate, and the Afghan government has to learn to live with it, as do the other NATO contingents. This is a common situation in multinational peacekeeping operations. That's because nations will not give up all control over their troops. The main reason is nationalism, politics back home, and media eager to exploit any of this. Commanders of multinational peacekeeping
organizations have to cope, and learn how to "herd cats."
Strategypage again
george123 @ Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:20 pm
True, true.
Taz0427 @ Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:06 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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Just rotations? What the hell do you think we are doing in Afghanistan? Dropping of troops for the duration? Again, I welcome you to enter a recruiting center to help "beef up" our limited manpower.
Well if your going to pull out a number of 40,000 it is not like we sent those all at once. We maybe had what 2,000 - 3,000 stationed there at a time maybe making up 6%-8% of the total forces? Sure we have contributed to things but we haven’t been a main player put it that way. I guess we could say Canada is a small country and blah blah we are limited to what we can do but maybe that attitude should change and maybe we should step up and say we can do things instead of making up 10% of a force maybe try to supply 20% of it? Instead of worrying what the other guy is doing we should forge our own policy and have the strength to back it up. So when a country needs our help or when we want to go to the U.N. or NATO and ask them to contribute we will look a lot better and people may actually take us a little more seriously. Canada can do more and we should do more and we shouldn’t let politics of our country or others get in the way of doing what is right.
Well my friend I served with NATO & the UN & spent most of my life in the British army, Canadian troops are like your police, the best in the world, I have no fear of fighting alongside Canadians, as I can fully trust them, through experiance, unfortnately other so called Allies I would prefer to be in front of me as they are usless as soldiers & many I would classify as not even Allies as they are there only in name & contribute Ziltch. Canada has always contributed far more than their share & what they contribute far outweighs the vast numbers from other members who only do so due to their population size. But are in effect worthless to any commander as they wont & cant fight, or in reality cant do their job. Also dont forget all the supplies that Canada FREELY gives to anyone in need, if it wernt for Canadians God knows what this world would be like today. Jeez we have only just finished paying the Yanks for the last world war, Pearl harbour was sod all to do with our war in europe, well thats strange didnt we also fight Japan & send supplies there, How bloody strange we didnt get paid for that?
PENATRATOR @ Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:19 am
I notice that while colggeroo quotes wikipedia, others here speak of first hand knowledge. Clog has conveinently skipped the suggestions he present himself at the nearest recruiting center to help beef up our CF.
tsotas @ Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:10 am
I bet our allies are glad Canada doesn't have any real power to fight them with.
All we do is whine. I love Canada.
putz @ Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:49 am
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I bet our allies are glad Canada doesn't have any real power to fight them with.
All we do is whine. I love Canada.
All we do is whine. I love Canada.
three words:
GO FUCK YOURSELF
Clogeroo @ Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:50 am
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Well my friend I served with NATO & the UN & spent most of my life in the British army, Canadian troops are like your police, the best in the world, I have no fear of fighting alongside Canadians, as I can fully trust them, through experiance, unfortnately other so called Allies I would prefer to be in front of me as they are usless as soldiers & many I would classify as not even Allies as they are there only in name & contribute Ziltch. Canada has always contributed far more than their share & what they contribute far outweighs the vast numbers from other members who only do so due to their population size. But are in effect worthless to any commander as they wont & cant fight, or in reality cant do their job. Also dont forget all the supplies that Canada FREELY gives to anyone in need, if it wernt for Canadians God knows what this world would be like today. Jeez we have only just finished paying the Yanks for the last world war, Pearl harbour was sod all to do with our war in europe, well thats strange didnt we also fight Japan & send supplies there, How bloody strange we didnt get paid for that?
Canada is hardly pulling its weight for defence matters. The RCN couldn't even go on war games from not having enough petrol. All of our troops are in Afghanistan and we cannot even train much of the new recruits coming or at least as fast as we should be. We only have 3 regular infantry regiments. I don't need to be in the forces to see its motto now is reduce, reuse, and recycle. I could give a crap about what France and other NATO allies contribute just because we send a little bit more than some of them doesn't mean we are not doing enough. We might as well say look at South Africa they have 47 million people and we do more than they do. Who cares? We should have set priorities and increase spending. We should be saying we need this many men; this many tanks and this many ships then buy them. But instead nothing gets done and we have our forces using leftover junk and piecing scraps together to try and make a force. Maybe when this scrounging ends or the branches start having the capacity to train greater numbers of people then maybe I will say we are doing enough. But until then we are not and we are in limited capacity and are on a limited budget neither grand nor mighty.
putz @ Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:59 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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Well my friend I served with NATO & the UN & spent most of my life in the British army, Canadian troops are like your police, the best in the world, I have no fear of fighting alongside Canadians, as I can fully trust them, through experiance, unfortnately other so called Allies I would prefer to be in front of me as they are usless as soldiers & many I would classify as not even Allies as they are there only in name & contribute Ziltch. Canada has always contributed far more than their share & what they contribute far outweighs the vast numbers from other members who only do so due to their population size. But are in effect worthless to any commander as they wont & cant fight, or in reality cant do their job. Also dont forget all the supplies that Canada FREELY gives to anyone in need, if it wernt for Canadians God knows what this world would be like today. Jeez we have only just finished paying the Yanks for the last world war, Pearl harbour was sod all to do with our war in europe, well thats strange didnt we also fight Japan & send supplies there, How bloody strange we didnt get paid for that?
Canada is hardly pulling its weight for defence matters. The RCN couldn't even go on war games from not having enough petrol. All of our troops are in Afghanistan and we cannot even train much of the new recruits coming or at least as fast as we should be. We only have 3 regular infantry regiments. I don't need to be in the forces to see its motto now is reduce, reuse, and recycle. I could give a crap about what France and other NATO allies contribute just because we send a little bit more than some of them doesn't mean we are not doing enough. We might as well say look at South Africa they have 47 million people and we do more than they do. Who cares? We should have set priorities and increase spending. We should be saying we need this many men; this many tanks and this many ships then buy them. But instead nothing gets done and we have our forces using leftover junk and piecing scraps together to try and make a force. Maybe when this scrounging ends or the branches start having the capacity to train greater numbers of people then maybe I will say we are doing enough. But until then we are not and we are in limited capacity and are on a limited budget neither grand nor mighty.
STOP RIGHT THERE. Don't start speaking like a pro on matters you know little about or your gonna start to offend alot of service people
Clogeroo @ Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:01 am
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STOP RIGHT THERE. Don't start speaking like a pro on matters you know little about or your gonna start to offend alot of service people
Why half of them say it themselves or if they could would. It is obvious we don't give them enough funds to do any task really properly. HMCS Chicoutimi can tell anyone that.