Why did we get stuck in this war????????
Newfy @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:39 am
Banff Banff:
Liberating the oppressed is the only purpose of a soldier and there is nothing else which could qualify as dignity .
You've answered your own question there. We have liberated the oppressed by removing the Taliban from power and we continue to defend the people of Afghanistan from the attempts by the Taliban to gain back their rule.
Wada @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:05 am
Your all doing a fine job.
I have one question. When you are finished defending these people from the Taliban, will you stay there in force and defend these people from the next group of evil persons who would encrouch upon them?
Newfy @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:11 am
Wada Wada:
Your all doing a fine job.
I have one question. When you are finished defending these people from the Taliban, will you stay there in force and defend these people from the next group of evil persons who would encrouch upon them?
I have one question. When you are finished defending these people from the Taliban, will you stay there in force and defend these people from the next group of evil persons who would encrouch upon them?
Good question. I would hope that eventually the Afghanistan Forces will be able to defend themselves but it will probably take some time.
Johnny_Utah @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:21 am
ridenrain ridenrain:
Well it looks like Calgary123 has found a friend in the LoneCanadian. Someone new who's posts are not immediately tarnished by Calgarys CT dribble. What do you make of that....
Bottom line is you'd have to ask Chretien & Martin what deals were made reguarding the Afghan mission. As part of Nato, we're all one big happy family and letting the US do the fighting without us just sounds wrong.
Someone needs to show them the way to do it
Onlone: it's our fight too. Reguardless of why we are there, when the Taliban made public that CDN's didn't have the gust to stick this out, that made it our war. The CDN forces moral is huge and we can beat any backwater dictator that the world can throw at us. The only way we will loose is through the weak backbone of our own people.
Which side are you going to be on.
Bottom line is you'd have to ask Chretien & Martin what deals were made reguarding the Afghan mission. As part of Nato, we're all one big happy family and letting the US do the fighting without us just sounds wrong.
Someone needs to show them the way to do it
Onlone: it's our fight too. Reguardless of why we are there, when the Taliban made public that CDN's didn't have the gust to stick this out, that made it our war. The CDN forces moral is huge and we can beat any backwater dictator that the world can throw at us. The only way we will loose is through the weak backbone of our own people.
Which side are you going to be on.
He could be the same person, Tards will do that to back up their own Bullshit..
It's also Hypocritical how these Liberals are against the Mission in Afghanistan because the Conservatibes are in power when they didn't say a word while the Liberals were in power. So what it comes down to is these Liberals have no problem screwing over the people of Afghanistan abandoning them to the Taliban for political points..
Calgary123 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:20 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
Well it looks like Calgary123 has found a friend in the LoneCanadian. Someone new who's posts are not immediately tarnished by Calgarys CT dribble. What do you make of that....
Bottom line is you'd have to ask Chretien & Martin what deals were made reguarding the Afghan mission. As part of Nato, we're all one big happy family and letting the US do the fighting without us just sounds wrong.
Someone needs to show them the way to do it
Onlone: it's our fight too. Reguardless of why we are there, when the Taliban made public that CDN's didn't have the gust to stick this out, that made it our war. The CDN forces moral is huge and we can beat any backwater dictator that the world can throw at us. The only way we will loose is through the weak backbone of our own people.
Which side are you going to be on.
Bottom line is you'd have to ask Chretien & Martin what deals were made reguarding the Afghan mission. As part of Nato, we're all one big happy family and letting the US do the fighting without us just sounds wrong.
Someone needs to show them the way to do it
Onlone: it's our fight too. Reguardless of why we are there, when the Taliban made public that CDN's didn't have the gust to stick this out, that made it our war. The CDN forces moral is huge and we can beat any backwater dictator that the world can throw at us. The only way we will loose is through the weak backbone of our own people.
Which side are you going to be on.
@ "A new Friend" Good one!
As a part of NATO, I can understand why we have been escorted into this conflict, but IMO, it doesn't make it right or just. The US can fight their wars of Imperialism all on their own for all I care. I don't see how us not wanting to participate is wrong. It would take some courage on the part of our government... and the fact that we don't have leaders with those kind of cahones doesn't shock me.
When the Taliban made it public that the CDN's "didn't have the guts to stick it out", that comment had to have made after our troops had already landed and let it be known that they were there to stay... doesn't make it "our war". And who is the dictator you are referring to?
Which side am I on? That speaks to a familiar "us vs. them" phrase that I've heard before - "you are either with us, or with the terrorists..." Sorry, but I'm not buyin into that.
At the end of the day, I wish all the best to our troops, and I support them... but I can't find a way to convince myself that this war is all about "rooting out terror". There are far too many other hidden agenda's that speak to this conflict being about geoploitical reasons (and Oil), and for that reason, I can't support it.
Calgary123 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:45 pm
Maggiemygosh Maggiemygosh:
FYI The majority of Professors at Universities and Colleges are socialst lefties and are devoid of common sense. This Prof from Winnipeg is likely an NDPer with no common sense. He based his garbage rhetoric on nothing. Has he been in Afghanistan for any period of time to see the truth and facts and reality? No !! So what does he know about what is really happening there? Nothing.
That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
There are two sides to every coin but socialists don''t go there. They preach nonsense and do not understand the price of peace and security. They do not understand what " root cause " is. They do not believe there are terrorists everywhere and those numbers are increasing and WHEN not IF terrorist acts happens here the panic will become unbearable from the lefties because they cannot handle truth and facts. But hey the POT sellers will make a ton of money .
That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
There are two sides to every coin but socialists don''t go there. They preach nonsense and do not understand the price of peace and security. They do not understand what " root cause " is. They do not believe there are terrorists everywhere and those numbers are increasing and WHEN not IF terrorist acts happens here the panic will become unbearable from the lefties because they cannot handle truth and facts. But hey the POT sellers will make a ton of money .
Maggie,
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The majority of Professors at Universities and Colleges are socialst lefties and are devoid of common sense.
That's a gernalization if I've ever seen one
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This Prof from Winnipeg is likely an NDPer with no common sense. He based his garbage rhetoric on nothing.
No common sense? Did you even read it?? He laid out his facts, and offered his perspective from firsthand knowledge of the region, and it's people. "NDP'er"?? What difference would that make anyways?? Do you even understand what rhetoric means? I highly doubt it since the context in which you have used it in only speaks to your lack of understanding.
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Has he been in Afghanistan for any period of time to see the truth and facts and reality? No !! So what does he know about what is really happening there? Nothing.
I suggest taking a chill pill, and reading the article.
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That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
Oh really?
Are you claiming that he has his facts all wrong? If so, then I would welcome an intilligent analysis on where his facts and perspective is skewed... something you failed to adress in your rediculous rant.$1:
There are two sides to every coin but socialists don''t go there. They preach nonsense and do not understand the price of peace and security.
Huh?
You are losing me here... I had an easier time understanding the article, than your "nonsense".$1:
They do not believe there are terrorists everywhere and those numbers are increasing and WHEN not IF terrorist acts happens here the panic will become unbearable from the lefties because they cannot handle truth and facts. But hey the POT sellers will make a ton of money .
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O...K...
Actually, there has only been an increase in "terror" since Bush created this conflict. And that is a fact. As far as the rest of your comments... I'm not even sure how to properly address your ignorance, since it is so rediculous that it almost doesn't deserve a rebuttal.
I can't believe I even responded to this freak!
By the way, by making such comments you only show how weak the argument stands for this war. I suggest leaving the debating to the big kids. Mustang1, where are you??? These lunatics are killing me here!!!!
Calgary123 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:04 pm
Maggiemygosh Maggiemygosh:
FYI The majority of Professors at Universities and Colleges are socialst lefties and are devoid of common sense. This Prof from Winnipeg is likely an NDPer with no common sense. He based his garbage rhetoric on nothing. Has he been in Afghanistan for any period of time to see the truth and facts and reality? No !! So what does he know about what is really happening there? Nothing.
That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
There are two sides to every coin but socialists don''t go there. They preach nonsense and do not understand the price of peace and security. They do not understand what " root cause " is. They do not believe there are terrorists everywhere and those numbers are increasing and WHEN not IF terrorist acts happens here the panic will become unbearable from the lefties because they cannot handle truth and facts. But hey the POT sellers will make a ton of money .
That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
There are two sides to every coin but socialists don''t go there. They preach nonsense and do not understand the price of peace and security. They do not understand what " root cause " is. They do not believe there are terrorists everywhere and those numbers are increasing and WHEN not IF terrorist acts happens here the panic will become unbearable from the lefties because they cannot handle truth and facts. But hey the POT sellers will make a ton of money .
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quote]FYI The majority of Professors at Universities and Colleges are socialst lefties and are devoid of common sense.
There's a generalization if I've ever seen one
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He based his garbage rhetoric on nothing.
Did you even read his "rhetoric"? I doubt that you even understand what the term means. Try reading the article, before jumping into this thread with your rant. You only look stupid by not having anything intelligent to say.
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Has he been in Afghanistan for any period of time to see the truth and facts and reality? No !! So what does he know about what is really happening there? Nothing.
Once again, question answered in the article. I know it's long, and has lots of big words, but give it a try... it is pretty clear and on point.$1:
That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
Oh really?
HUGE problem eh? Wow!! I didn't know that. If you are challenging the article on its facts, then why not offer your own form of analysis which can offer me some of your own insight... rather than make another stupid generalization and not follow up with basis for making such a comment. $1:
There are two sides to every coin but socialists don''t go there.
OK... now you are losing me here.
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They do not believe there are terrorists everywhere and those numbers are increasing and WHEN not IF terrorist acts happens here the panic will become unbearable from the lefties because they cannot handle truth and facts. But hey the POT sellers will make a ton of money .
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Who is "they"?? Your ramblings are beginning to spiral out of control here, and your lack of ability to formulate any kind of intelligent rebutal or analysis is really shining through here. FYI, Terrorism has increased since the conflict in the middle east, and YOU need to lay off on the POT. Your rant speaks to the fact that your brain cells have been taking a beating, and your lack of any real analysis to a well-written and researched article only strengthen the arguments made by the writer.
You should leave the analysis to the big kids and stay in the shallow end.
Mustang1... where are you??? I know that you of all people could provide some semblance of intelligent rebuttal or perspective to this... I know this isn't the best that CKA has to offer.
Calgary123 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:06 pm
Wada Wada:
Your all doing a fine job.
I have one question. When you are finished defending these people from the Taliban, will you stay there in force and defend these people from the next group of evil persons who would encrouch upon them?
I have one question. When you are finished defending these people from the Taliban, will you stay there in force and defend these people from the next group of evil persons who would encrouch upon them?
An interesting point made...
Calgary123 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:17 pm
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Well it looks like Calgary123 has found a friend in the LoneCanadian. Someone new who's posts are not immediately tarnished by Calgarys CT dribble. What do you make of that....
Bottom line is you'd have to ask Chretien & Martin what deals were made reguarding the Afghan mission. As part of Nato, we're all one big happy family and letting the US do the fighting without us just sounds wrong.
Someone needs to show them the way to do it
Onlone: it's our fight too. Reguardless of why we are there, when the Taliban made public that CDN's didn't have the gust to stick this out, that made it our war. The CDN forces moral is huge and we can beat any backwater dictator that the world can throw at us. The only way we will loose is through the weak backbone of our own people.
Which side are you going to be on.
Bottom line is you'd have to ask Chretien & Martin what deals were made reguarding the Afghan mission. As part of Nato, we're all one big happy family and letting the US do the fighting without us just sounds wrong.
Someone needs to show them the way to do it
Onlone: it's our fight too. Reguardless of why we are there, when the Taliban made public that CDN's didn't have the gust to stick this out, that made it our war. The CDN forces moral is huge and we can beat any backwater dictator that the world can throw at us. The only way we will loose is through the weak backbone of our own people.
Which side are you going to be on.
He could be the same person, Tards will do that to back up their own Bullshit..
It's also Hypocritical how these Liberals are against the Mission in Afghanistan because the Conservatibes are in power when they didn't say a word while the Liberals were in power. So what it comes down to is these Liberals have no problem screwing over the people of Afghanistan abandoning them to the Taliban for political points..
Little Johnny,
Try offering some of your own wisdom, rather than making yourself look stupid by claiming the poster, and myself to be the same person.
... unless you can't.
And for the record... I'm not a "liberal". While it might be the popular thing to do... to generalize those that have ideas such as mine, into "liberal" let me say that is a weak postion to formulate a debate on the issue. I actually voted conservative in the last round, only because I felt that it was the lesser of 2 evils.
At any rate, you offered no constructive analysis of your own to convince me that the ideas presented through my analysis, or the perspective of the writer in the article can't stand up... so you've accomplished nothing with your comments, except making yourself look stupid.
My nine year old could do better.
Tricks @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:18 pm
Calgary123 Calgary123:
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That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
Oh really?
HUGE problem eh? Wow!! I didn't know that. 
). There have been other teacher try to do it. My english teacher tried to convince be to become religious. He also tried to tell me that Vimy ridge wasn't very important. Many teachers do try to bring their views upon the students, and many are either A) agreeing with them because they are the big smart educated teacher. B) Don't care. C) Don't want to argue because they don't want to get in trouble. (they always say "be quiet or your going to the office" when they have nothing left, and I love point it out, stupid fucking teachers.) or D) they speak up against them and oppose them completely.
Canadian_Mind @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:31 pm
why? because you touch yourself at night, solution? you either lose ten parts or one, your choice. In the mean time lets finish the job we have committed to, knowing we'd have casualties, and then re-assess the conflict and our commitment at the end of that period.
Calgary123 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:31 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Calgary123 Calgary123:
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That is a huge problem today in this country of socialist professors and teachers brainwashing our younger generation who haven't a clue as to what is real true and factual.
Oh really?
HUGE problem eh? Wow!! I didn't know that. ). There have been other teacher try to do it. My english teacher tried to convince be to become religious. He also tried to tell me that Vimy ridge wasn't very important. Many teachers do try to bring their views upon the students, and many are either A) agreeing with them because they are the big smart educated teacher. B) Don't care. C) Don't want to argue because they don't want to get in trouble. (they always say "be quiet or your going to the office" when they have nothing left, and I love point it out, stupid fucking teachers.) or D) they speak up against them and oppose them completely.My point was more directed to the end part of this comment Tricks... regrading what is "real and factual". I doubt that "she" wouldn't know what is real and factual if it walked up and shook her hand.
It was an exageration ("huge") generalization, made for the second time in her statement that doesn't sit well with me, since it suggests that our education system is ridden with "problems" and teachers forcing propoganda onto our children. I disagree, and while there may be those that educate with opinions, (when it comes to issues relating to politics), how can one not? Her problem, (as presented in her comments) is that a prof such as this could be "corrupting" our innocent children with propoganda and misinformation.
My point is this... The writer was on point, and backed up his perspective with facts and experience. The latter part of here statement puts into question the writers "facts", without proving how he got his facts wrong. If she could back up her statements with her own that could legitimize here bold statment... I'm all ears!
I somehow doubt that will happen though... You might have to jump in and bail her out here.
Tricks @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:37 pm
Then I pretty much agree with you, Me thinks she is a bit of a kook.
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since it suggests that our education system is ridden with "problems" and teachers forcing propoganda onto our children.
It is ridden with problems.$1:
I disagree, and while there may be those that educate with opinions, (when it comes to issues relating to politics), how can one not?
My civics teacher did it well. I clearly expressed when I walked in there, that I won't take any Liberal bullshit that normally foams out of teacher's mouths. She never really tried. She was able to teach the basics about parliament and politics without much opinion. And when we were looking at the parties, she said each's platform, but didn't specify with what she agreed with. I later found out she was Green party supporter, and I thought she was Liberal. So she did an excellent job.$1:
Her problem, (as presented in her comments) is that a prof such as this could be "corrupting" our innocent children with propoganda and misinformation.
This one? I don't know, I was too lazy to read the article, that's why I haven't really responded too it. But some do.
Calgary123 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:55 pm
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:
why? because you touch yourself at night, solution? you either lose ten parts or one, your choice. In the mean time lets finish the job we have committed to, knowing we'd have casualties, and then re-assess the conflict and our commitment at the end of that period.
Huh?
Lost me on the first part... but for me to respond to the last part, I must ask the question:
How long should our military commit to this occupation? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? Longer?
The US is planning to stay permanently, and at what point can we say that we've "won". Does it means that every last farmer carrying an AK-47 is given a sand-nap? Will that mean it's over? Are we all expecting to see parades of Afghanis waving flags and celebrating their new "freedoms?", in a country that's been "liberated" by their "saviors"... the US Military.
History should tell us that we are in for a long stay. The Russians couldn't subdue or control this nation, and neither will the Americans. There will always be conflict, as long as there is occupation.
At the end of the day, I only hope that our troops can make a difference in a positive sense. I hope the average Afghani citizen see's our boys as the "good guys" and not as an extension of the American force. While many more will die, on both sides... While we are there, I hope that our people are out their standing up for the innocent people, and acting in a moral sense that defines Canadians and our spirit of being kind and giving. I realize that the task at hand reaches out beyond that though...
ZoSo51 @ Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:22 pm
Calgary123 Calgary123:
This is a "bush war". Period.
Yes the US government funded the Taliban, which in turn probably caused 9/11....but seriously have you ever helped a friend out when they were in need? When they got in a fight? Even if that friend started the fight...I know being his friend I would jump in...I am not going to sit on the sidelines and watch him get his ass handed to him just because I don't think that he should have started the fight...I'm going to jump in and help a buddy out...What's done is done, the war has started...troops have been deployed...As a Canadian I would hope that we should help out our American allies...Without the Americans where would we be? The fact is that the Americans were attacked on September 11th and they are defending their country, I believe 24 Canadians died that day as well. I do not want that to happen again...So you say it is Bush's war. But what about the 24 Canadians that died that day? Where would their justice be if we did not stand up for ourselves and fight for our freedom? I could not be a proud Canadian if we would let ourselves be attacked, or even our allies for that matter...and sit back and do nothing.
Calgary123 Calgary123:
The US can fight their wars of Imperialism all on their own for all I care. I don't see how us not wanting to participate is wrong. It would take some courage on the part of our government... and the fact that we don't have leaders with those kind of cahones doesn't shock me.
If 9/11 was to happen on Canadian soil and not against the Americans would you not want the Americans to help us stand up for ourselves? I know I sure would.
Calgary123 Calgary123:
but I can't find a way to convince myself that this war is all about "rooting out terror". There are far too many other hidden agenda's that speak to this conflict being about geoploitical reasons (and Oil), and for that reason, I can't support it.
This war was not started as a means to get a strategic geographical advantage over other countries, even for oil...but now that it has not started why not take this time to get those things out of it? You are naive to think that oil isn't on the mind of Bush...but if 9/11 did not occur, I highly doubt that the American's would have invaded...(my have invaded after one of the other bombings possibly)
Bush has even stated that he acknowledges that the oil is a concern of his...and that a reliable supply is needed...but that does not mean that the main reason for this war was oil or that the US is going to take over the oil and horde it to themselves...Bush even stated that the US wants the oil and is willing to pay for it.
The bottom line is they went to war to defend their country and the thousands of lives killed that terrible day. The oil and other things they are gaining from invading are just "riches of war"....When WW II was being fought and one of Hitler's castles or mansions (or whatever he may have had) were captured...do you really think that nothing was taken from it?
Just because people gain something from a war does not mean they are not fighting it for the right reasons.
I pray that our soldiers make it home safe and it is horrible to see one fall...but the reality is were are in a very troubling time, but most of us are blind to it...and we all may get a very rude awakening one day soon. WWIII is not going to be pretty. Einstein said it perfectly...“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
p.s. ignore the blunders and anything that may not make sense...17 hour shifts make your mind a little fuzzy