Canada Kicks Ass
A major cabinet shakeup in Ottawa, but why?

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Scape @ Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:17 pm




Mendicino getting shown the door is no surprise and Amand being assigned to Treasury isn't a downgrade, she is being groomed to replace Trudeau.

This minority confidence agreement allows the libs a mulligan and they can drop it at any time once they have momentum. They just need the discipline to stay on message. PP can pee shoot from the sidelines all he wants and pander to his base that is all but immune to any engagement as they are sizable but like Alberta, a dead end. PP can't win without Ontario and Quebec inroads and he is too extreme for both.

   



llama66 @ Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:07 pm

PP to me, is just a right wing version of Trudeau. I dislike both men intensely.

   



Scape @ Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:36 pm

Virtue signaling muppet? That tracks but to JT credit he actually held a real job before becoming a life long politian living off of the government teet.

I'm not a great fan of him either but at least his base isn't a pack of anti-vax, Russian propaganda supporting zombies.

   



JaredMilne @ Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:01 pm

No less than four of the Cabinet ministers Trudeau shipped off to the backbenches have already said they're not running again. It's just good sense to let them wind their careers down and give some fresher talent a chance to develop their skills.

Some of the Cabinet members also had to be tossed because they proved to be incompetent, like Marco Mendicino.

And then there's the fact that some observers say that the Liberals are trying to improve their "communication skills." I've heard mixed views on this, with some people saying that the Liberals couldn't communicate their way out of a wet paper bag, while others say communicating is all they're really good at.

I've heard a couple of commentators also say that Trudeau might be trying to keep potential leaderhsip rivals from building public profiles by putting them in obscure Ministries. Party leaders sometimes have to give their most bitter rivals prominent Cabinet positions to keep those rivals' supporters in the party happy. Jean Chretien beat Paul Martin in a bitter leadership fight, and then made Martin his Finance Minister once the Liberals returned to power in 1993. Martin then used the profile he gained from that position to eventually push Chretien out the door to take over as PM.

Any government that's gone through three elections risks being weighed down by the baggage they've accumulated, too. Dumping incompetent ministers could be a way to lighten the load, as is promoting new talent and otherwise putting a fresh face on things.

Really, if you ask a dozen people their views on this, you could probably get a dozen different answers. I'm not sure what to make of it myself-it could mean nothing, or it could mean everything. What will really count for me, as well as for most Canadians who aren't devoted political watchers, will be how this new Cabinet actually performs.

   



Tricks @ Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:23 pm

JaredMilne JaredMilne:
No less than four of the Cabinet ministers Trudeau shipped off to the backbenches have already said they're not running again. It's just good sense to let them wind their careers down and give some fresher talent a chance to develop their skills.

Something Trudeau should do himself.

Start the process of finding a new leader that's fresh to the people and run them, as with any canadian politician the longer they're in power the more people dislike them, and people vote against who they dislike. So reset that.

By the time the next election rolls around (assuming one isn't called early) he will have been prime minister for 10 years, longer than Harper was. He needs to do the right thing for both Canada and the liberal party and step aside for another person. Else we may end up in 4 - 8 years for people who still don't believe climate change is real.

   



Strutz @ Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:35 pm

Tricks Tricks:
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
No less than four of the Cabinet ministers Trudeau shipped off to the backbenches have already said they're not running again. It's just good sense to let them wind their careers down and give some fresher talent a chance to develop their skills.

Something Trudeau should do himself.

Start the process of finding a new leader that's fresh to the people and run them, as with any canadian politician the longer they're in power the more people dislike them, and people vote against who they dislike. So reset that.

By the time the next election rolls around (assuming one isn't called early) he will have been prime minister for 10 years, longer than Harper was. He needs to do the right thing for both Canada and the liberal party and step aside for another person. Else we may end up in 4 - 8 years for people who still don't believe climate change is real.

Agreed. It's definitely time to make that change. I'm not sure who would be the best candidate to replace him though.

   



Zipperfish @ Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:41 pm

If you got a deck full of jokers you can shuffle it all you want, you're going to get the same thing, bah ha ha ha. I agree with Tricks--Trudeau's best before date has passed. However the Liberals have been largely competent, if typically arrogant, and Poilievre is not showing the same inclination to competency to me

   



DrCaleb @ Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:20 pm

Strutz Strutz:
Agreed. It's definitely time to make that change. I'm not sure who would be the best candidate to replace him though.


Christia Freeland. Smart. No political skeletons I know of.

   



Thanos @ Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:53 pm

Whoever they eventually choose is completely irrelevant. Things will stay the same. Generous bail conditions for murderers will continue, street crime will keep flourishing, the military will keep rotting out, and no one at all will do a single damn thing about the Chinese tentacles snaking throughout Canadian business & government. The only criteria important to Liberals will be that the replacement be as good at performative kneeling as Trudeau is because he's set the new bar for insincere genuflecting.

   



Scape @ Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:38 pm



Anand and Freeland are top of the ticket for JT's job. Given the track record of the two I would say Anand is the front runner by far. Her priorities can be trial ballooned in treasury and will be made liberal policy writ large if they are seen to be effective. With inflation heading toward 2% by next year she can easily secure her spot.

   



Scape @ Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:00 pm

   



bootlegga @ Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:25 am

llama66 llama66:
PP to me, is just a right wing version of Trudeau. I dislike both men intensely.


Trudeau is the best of a bunch of bad choices when you compare him to Harper, Scheer, O'Toole or PP.



Tricks Tricks:
JaredMilne JaredMilne:
No less than four of the Cabinet ministers Trudeau shipped off to the backbenches have already said they're not running again. It's just good sense to let them wind their careers down and give some fresher talent a chance to develop their skills.


Something Trudeau should do himself.

Start the process of finding a new leader that's fresh to the people and run them, as with any canadian politician the longer they're in power the more people dislike them, and people vote against who they dislike. So reset that.

By the time the next election rolls around (assuming one isn't called early) he will have been prime minister for 10 years, longer than Harper was. He needs to do the right thing for both Canada and the liberal party and step aside for another person. Else we may end up in 4 - 8 years for people who still don't believe climate change is real.


Agreed, and the the best choice IMHO is probably Chrystia Freeland, who is smart, competent and well-spoken.

   



Strutz @ Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:18 pm

Thanos Thanos:
Whoever they eventually choose is completely irrelevant. Things will stay the same. Generous bail conditions for murderers will continue, street crime will keep flourishing, the military will keep rotting out, and no one at all will do a single damn thing about the Chinese tentacles snaking throughout Canadian business & government. The only criteria important to Liberals will be that the replacement be as good at performative kneeling as Trudeau is because he's set the new bar for insincere genuflecting.

Policies will not change in the party regardless of who is "in charge". I'm sick of these issues as well as other ones.

I always find that the majority of our politicians are of the sort that come from fairly well-to-do families of professionals, all were fortunate enough to go to University and obtain degrees in whatever and are sadly, utterly incapable of really knowing what it is like to struggle and have to make difficult decisions on a day-to-day basis. In other words... representatives of actual PEOPLE.

   



Thanos @ Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:36 pm

Most politicians have never worked a day in their life in the real world. PeePee is an obvious one, going right from poli-sci & communications at university into the Reform/Alliance/CPC system. But most of the Liberal and NDP come out of law & education (and now they also come out of utterly nonsensical faculties like gender & activist studies too), meaning they spent whatever years at "work" in the midst of highly politicized & polarized echo chambers of their own. And they're just as shocked (shocked, I tell you!) when they run for office and they discover among the general public that there's actually a lot of real opposition to the think-tank claptrap they've been thoroughly indoctrinated & brainwashed to unquestioningly believe in.

This is why I don't regard the upcoming AI revolution with much fear at all. Like seriously, exactly how can a thinking computer make things worse, or even dumber, than humans have already done with pretty much every single one of our institutions? :?

   



herbie @ Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:40 pm

We know, even though every PM has always shuffled the Cabinet every couple years, this one's a scandal because Trudeau did it and he's just bad. mmm-kay?

   



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