Abortion Dilemma
Patrick_Ross @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:27 pm
Since being banned from the rabble.ca forum over the issue (I love it when faux-progressives demonstrate their hypocrisy), I've been wrestling with the issue of abortion.
The question I've been wrestling with is not my stance over it, but rather, how to view other people's stances. I've been trying to determine whether or not morality can be removed from the issue.
Are the moral implications of abortion absolute? I can't bring it upon myself to declare that abortion is some kind of "evil social ill". I certainly don't agree with it, and feel there are a multitude of better choices, but I can't entirely divest it of morality. I simply cannot think of any way in which abortion is not a moral choice, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Any thoughts?
fatbasturd @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:16 pm
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
Since being banned from the rabble.ca forum over the issue (I love it when faux-progressives demonstrate their hypocrisy), I've been wrestling with the issue of abortion.
The question I've been wrestling with is not my stance over it, but rather, how to view other people's stances. I've been trying to determine whether or not morality can be removed from the issue.
Are the moral implications of abortion absolute? I can't bring it upon myself to declare that abortion is some kind of "evil social ill". I certainly don't agree with it, and feel there are a multitude of better choices, but I can't entirely divest it of morality. I simply cannot think of any way in which abortion is not a moral choice, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Any thoughts?
The question I've been wrestling with is not my stance over it, but rather, how to view other people's stances. I've been trying to determine whether or not morality can be removed from the issue.
Are the moral implications of abortion absolute? I can't bring it upon myself to declare that abortion is some kind of "evil social ill". I certainly don't agree with it, and feel there are a multitude of better choices, but I can't entirely divest it of morality. I simply cannot think of any way in which abortion is not a moral choice, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Any thoughts?
$1:
Are the moral implications of abortion absolute?
Let me put a question to you.Which is the greater immorality,to take a life...or to bring one into the world you didn,t want.
HyperionTheEvil @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:28 pm
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
Since being banned from the rabble.ca forum over the issue (I love it when faux-progressives demonstrate their hypocrisy), I've been wrestling with the issue of abortion.
The question I've been wrestling with is not my stance over it, but rather, how to view other people's stances. I've been trying to determine whether or not morality can be removed from the issue.
Are the moral implications of abortion absolute? I can't bring it upon myself to declare that abortion is some kind of "evil social ill". I certainly don't agree with it, and feel there are a multitude of better choices, but I can't entirely divest it of morality. I simply cannot think of any way in which abortion is not a moral choice, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Any thoughts?
The question I've been wrestling with is not my stance over it, but rather, how to view other people's stances. I've been trying to determine whether or not morality can be removed from the issue.
Are the moral implications of abortion absolute? I can't bring it upon myself to declare that abortion is some kind of "evil social ill". I certainly don't agree with it, and feel there are a multitude of better choices, but I can't entirely divest it of morality. I simply cannot think of any way in which abortion is not a moral choice, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Any thoughts?
I voted yes but with some trepidation.
AS you said , your question is other peoples stances on the issue. And like yourself im not a fan of abortion but i think that it is etter than the alternative.That all being said, it takes a long long time for people to grow accustomed to what they might percieve as a radical law.
Abortion itself has of course been around for cnturies in one form or another. Mostly though during that time it was seen as something not to have a public face put on it. Society i believe was more comfortable with women disappearing for a few days for no descernible reason and they come back to thier lives as if nothing had happened.
When women were given the right to choose it brought out the lobbyists for both sides nd to this day there is an ongoing battle about abortion (more in the US than here though). Which of course means its higlighted continuously. The only thing i believe that will inevitably reduce the level of hyperbole on both sides is time, and lots of it
hwacker @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:13 pm
And some kinda selfish pig.
Wada @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:15 pm
My thought is, it's none of my business unless I'm the daddy and even then it's up to the mom to be more than it's mine. 
Ripcat @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:16 pm
hwacker hwacker:
And some kinda selfish pig.
Well, there's the pot calling the kettle black...
Blue_Nose @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:23 pm
lily lily:
Can morality be removed from the abortion debate? I don't think so.
Right; taking another human life will always be an extremely complex and varying issue. To say anything involving life can be absolutely deemed right or wrong is hasty, and each situation must be carefully assessed (and reassessed continually), in terms of what would be best.
Dimcl @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:26 pm
Wada Wada:
My thought is, it's none of my business unless I'm the daddy and even then it's up to the mom to be more than it's mine.
Why is that?
hwacker @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:27 pm
Ripcat Ripcat:
hwacker hwacker:
And some kinda selfish pig.
Well, there's the pot calling the kettle black...
Funny, I don't remember killing any children today?
Wada @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:32 pm
Dimcl Dimcl:
Wada Wada:
My thought is, it's none of my business unless I'm the daddy and even then it's up to the mom to be more than it's mine.
Why is that?
'cause it is!
Dimcl @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:35 pm
lily lily:
$1:
Let me put a question to you.Which is the greater immorality,to take a life...or to bring one into the world you didn,t want.
You don't have to keep the baby - lots of people would love to adopt it.
How can a woman go through 9 months of pregnancy, God knows how many hours of labour, seeing or holding the newborn, even briefly, and then just give it away? This is an easy solution if the birth parents have no emotions - otherwise it would be Hell. It's not like buying your kid a cute bunny rabbit for Easter and then giving it away a month later because it makes a mess on the carpet and is getting expensive to feed. No matter what decision a woman makes, it'll cause terrible turmoil at some stage in her life but expecting her to go through all that and then just hand it over to strangers??? Ugh!!
Ripcat @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:36 pm
hwacker hwacker:
Ripcat Ripcat:
hwacker hwacker:
And some kinda selfish pig.
Well, there's the pot calling the kettle black...
Funny, I don't remember killing any children today?
It wouldn't surprise me if your 'me first' attitude was complicit in the deaths of children today.
Perhaps we all are....
Dimcl @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:38 pm
Wada Wada:
Dimcl Dimcl:
Wada Wada:
My thought is, it's none of my business unless I'm the daddy and even then it's up to the mom to be more than it's mine.
Why is that?
'cause it is!
Oh, there's an intelligent answer to a reasonable question...
hwacker @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:41 pm
Dimcl Dimcl:
Wada Wada:
Dimcl Dimcl:
Wada Wada:
My thought is, it's none of my business unless I'm the daddy and even then it's up to the mom to be more than it's mine.
Why is that?
'cause it is!
Oh, there's an intelligent answer to a reasonable question...
He's programmed like that, thanks PET.
Dimcl @ Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:23 pm
lily lily:
Dimcl Dimcl:
lily lily:
$1:
Let me put a question to you.Which is the greater immorality,to take a life...or to bring one into the world you didn,t want.
You don't have to keep the baby - lots of people would love to adopt it.
How can a woman go through 9 months of pregnancy, God knows how many hours of labour, seeing or holding the newborn, even briefly, and then just give it away? This is an easy solution if the birth parents have no emotions - otherwise it would be Hell. It's not like buying your kid a cute bunny rabbit for Easter and then giving it away a month later because it makes a mess on the carpet and is getting expensive to feed. No matter what decision a woman makes, it'll cause terrible turmoil at some stage in her life but expecting her to go through all that and then just hand it over to strangers??? Ugh!!
Lots do, and it's one of the most unselfish decisions she can make.
But sure... have an abortion instead, because there are no repercussions from that.
Did you read my whole post? I said "No matter what decision a woman makes, it'll cause terrible turmoil at some stage in her life...". Please read before being so flip in your comments.