Al-Qaida in Vacouver
Scape @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:14 am
Funny, and there is fascism in America, what a coincidence!
The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
U.S. official: Insurgents infiltrate Iraqi security forces, flush with Saudi money
Scape @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:32 am
Really? What is Americanism? I don't trust BUSH. He is a greasy used car salesman with no soul! Does that mean I want to see my hunting buddies from Missouri killed? FUCK YOU. You quit stirring up the hornets nets and you won't get stung. SAUDI ARABIA FUNDED al-Qaida and the US FUNDED THE SAUDIS. CAN YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULL?
Scape @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:55 am
Israeli commander 'emptied rifle' into girl
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Ian MacKinnon, Jerusalem
October 15, 2004
AN Israeli army company commander has been suspended from duty while superiors investigate claims he fired 20 bullets into the prostrate body of a 13-year-old Palestinian girl.
The officer is said to have emptied his rifle into the head and upper body of Iman al-Hams at close range, ignoring pleas by his troops that she was "only a little girl".
The suspension, which comes despite the fact an army investigation into the incident has not yet been completed, follows the death of another Palestinian girl, Ghadeer Jaber Mokheimer, 10, who was killed by a bullet fired from an Israeli army post on the outskirts of Khan Younis.
She was hit as she sat in her United Nations classroom – the second girl to die in similar circumstances in a month.
Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed by the Israelis in four years of fighting but their deaths usually go unreported and uninvestigated.
But the October 5 killing of the girl in southern Gaza is being investigated after soldiers serving under the commander took their complaints to the Israeli media.
Iman was shot dead as she walked to school past an Israeli army post. Soldiers in the unit said they feared her school bag contained a bomb, but no bomb was discovered.
When the troops fired at her, she dropped her school bag and ran, but she was hit by a number of shots from a range of about 70m and fell.
The commander in charge of about 60 Israeli troops approached the girl as she lay on the ground and shot her twice more at close range. He moved back to his troops but then returned to the girl, set his rifle to automatic and emptied the clip of bullets into her body.
The soldiers under his command yelled to him: "Don't shoot, she's a little girl", but he continued firing.
"We were in shock. We held our heads. We couldn't believe what he'd done. Our hearts ached for her," one soldier said. "She was just a 13-year-old girl. How could you spray a girl from close range? He was anxious for a long time to take out some terrorists, and shot the girl to relieve the pressure."
The Maariv newspaper yesterday printed claims by the company commander that the soldiers in his unit had altered their version of events because they wanted to get him removed because he took away their privileges.
But Eyal Eisenberg, commanding officer of the accused soldier's Givati Brigade, said he had no choice but to investigate the allegations.
"I found it necessary to suspend the commander," Colonel Eisenberg said. "The accusations are grave ... we will get to the truth."
Major General Dan Harel said he decided to suspend the officer based on preliminary investigations.
The Times
October 15, 2004
AN Israeli army company commander has been suspended from duty while superiors investigate claims he fired 20 bullets into the prostrate body of a 13-year-old Palestinian girl.
The officer is said to have emptied his rifle into the head and upper body of Iman al-Hams at close range, ignoring pleas by his troops that she was "only a little girl".
The suspension, which comes despite the fact an army investigation into the incident has not yet been completed, follows the death of another Palestinian girl, Ghadeer Jaber Mokheimer, 10, who was killed by a bullet fired from an Israeli army post on the outskirts of Khan Younis.
She was hit as she sat in her United Nations classroom – the second girl to die in similar circumstances in a month.
Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed by the Israelis in four years of fighting but their deaths usually go unreported and uninvestigated.
But the October 5 killing of the girl in southern Gaza is being investigated after soldiers serving under the commander took their complaints to the Israeli media.
Iman was shot dead as she walked to school past an Israeli army post. Soldiers in the unit said they feared her school bag contained a bomb, but no bomb was discovered.
When the troops fired at her, she dropped her school bag and ran, but she was hit by a number of shots from a range of about 70m and fell.
The commander in charge of about 60 Israeli troops approached the girl as she lay on the ground and shot her twice more at close range. He moved back to his troops but then returned to the girl, set his rifle to automatic and emptied the clip of bullets into her body.
The soldiers under his command yelled to him: "Don't shoot, she's a little girl", but he continued firing.
"We were in shock. We held our heads. We couldn't believe what he'd done. Our hearts ached for her," one soldier said. "She was just a 13-year-old girl. How could you spray a girl from close range? He was anxious for a long time to take out some terrorists, and shot the girl to relieve the pressure."
The Maariv newspaper yesterday printed claims by the company commander that the soldiers in his unit had altered their version of events because they wanted to get him removed because he took away their privileges.
But Eyal Eisenberg, commanding officer of the accused soldier's Givati Brigade, said he had no choice but to investigate the allegations.
"I found it necessary to suspend the commander," Colonel Eisenberg said. "The accusations are grave ... we will get to the truth."
Major General Dan Harel said he decided to suspend the officer based on preliminary investigations.
The Times
They are BOTH the haters. Get a clue and stop stirring it up.BTW he got off, scott free.
Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:34 am
I don't recall the word al-Qaeda being in the story once, Godz. In fact the whole thing seems to centre around one mosque where one man preached intolerance of Jews. Actually, depending on the context, that intolerance could be taken to be against just the country of Israel.
Nobody is suggesting that all Christians are terrorists because of Ernst Zundel, and he certainly promotes hatred of Jews.
Then there's this phrase,
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The Vancouver area's Muslim community numbers more than 60,000 and Aziz said such militant views don't go deep.
"I don't even waste time on such characters," he said.
"I don't even waste time on such characters," he said.
See how that works? 60,000 people and you are judging them all by what one man said. I happen to know a few Muslims in Vancouver. The most radical among them is notable only for his belief that traffic laws should not apply to him. I'm pretty sure that is not a matter religion though, and he will likely grow out of it.
So, as Scape pointed out, you are just trying to stir up shit. You are, in the end, trying to convince others to share your hatreds and prejudices. Do it someplace, man...we aren't buying your load of crap.
Scape @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:35 am
And what you did BY POSTING THIS IN THE 1st PLACE isn't?
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Funny thing is, Avro says that between me and them...I'm the hater. And the NDP wants more of this.
Pot, this is the kettle YOU'RE BLACK!! Do you see me protesting outside the Israeli embassy??? You were pointing fingers from the 1st post, don't give me this garbage that you have the moral high ground here. I AM SICK OF YOUR PRATTLE. Don't cower behind a flag and label every dam thing you don't understand or refuse outright as 'anti-Americanism'. Such Hubris!! You were trolling plain and simple.
Scape @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:15 am
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Wow..on second thought maybee your not going through PMS...must be menopause.
Yet your the hater. Oh the humanity of it all. I weep for your righteous indignation as much as you cared about my troops coming back from Bosnia with shattered bodies and minds. Keep stoking that fire because your going to get burned. I see a ban in your very near future.
Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:27 am
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I don't see leftists outside of mosques or writing letters to Muslim organizations asking the leaders to stop this.
Then you haven't been paying attention. I've signed onto two such letters this week...one protesting the kidnapping of aid workers and members of the press in Iraq, and one going out to all faiths supporting the French ban on religious symbols in schools. Hell, there are Muslims writing letters to extreme Muslim organisations, there are Immams writing those letters too. The Muslim community has actually taken Mosques away from radical clerics.
Your intolerance and hatred are brutal examples of your own short-sighted stupidity, Godz. They've blinded you to the truth.
figfarmer @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:24 am
I suppose you have something to say about Shakespeare too. The Merchant of Venice; tsk, tsk.
Rev_Blair @ Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:51 am
Actually if you really looked on those sites you mentioned, you likely would have found lnks to the letters, Godz. They come to me via e-mail...usually through HRW and Amnesty International though. You need to do your research.
Probably the clearest example of a mosque being taken away from a cleric, one that you would know about if you were truly interested in the subject, is the one in England that was taken away from the man who is thought to have influenced the shoe bomber. It has been mentioned in several news stories and NewsWorld has had segments on it in a couple of documentaries...one on radical Islam, and one on the shoe-bomber.
The NDP has had a long-standing policy of not asking people to renounce their beliefs on abortion etc if those beliefs go against those of the party. They do insist that MPs who hold such beliefs abstain from voting on such issues in Parliament. That goes for Catholic priests, conservative Christians, Hassidic Jews, and anybody else whose faith-based beliefs go against the platform of the party. Again, if you'd done your research you wouldn't be asking the question.
I'm wondering why you are against the ban of wearing of religious symbols in French schools. It isn't faith-based, applies to all religions equally. No crosses, no religious head coverings, no pentagram medallions. Schools are a place to learn, not a place to worship.