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Canadian Conservatives should'nt be demonized.

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Rev_Blair @ Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:16 pm

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1. I believe we should have a two-tiered health system.


As long as you stay on the bottom tier I have no problem with that. You get served last.

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2. The Gun registry should be scrapped.


I have no problem with that at all. The gun registry is stupid and punishes responsible gun owners. I want every car checked on the way up from the US though. Boats and trucks too. Any foreigner caught illegally bringing guns across gets ten years in the pen before being banned from Canada for life. Any Canadian gets 20 years. Guns don't kill people, after all... illegal guns imported from the world's biggest gun culture and sold to criminals kill people. Lets shut down the problem by shutting down the border.

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3. Tougher Crime Legislation should be put in place. And yes, I believe in Capital Punishment.



Yeah, okay. I want corporate criminals arrested and international law enforced though. Since they are a huge flight risk, I suggest they be held in general population at Kingston or PA until their trials. If their actions have led to a single death, I want corporate leaders strung up and left to rot.

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4. Abortion should legal, but should not be funded by Taxpayers money, unless of course its matter of saving the mother's life or the mother has been victim of rape.



I'm pretty sure most here know about how I feel about the separation of church and state. If you're worried about money...an abortion is cheaper than a lifetime of medical care. if you are just worried about dead kids, better have a look at the people you support...their policies have killed babies on every continent in every decade since your conception.

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5. I do not believe in Gay Marriage (Homosexuality is not normal no matter how hard you try to spin it).


Hey, I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, but Santa still brings me presents.

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6. I believe we pay WAYYYYYYY to much taxes. I say cut taxes, cut government and let individul Canadians advance through innovation instead of advancing themseleves through government bureacracy. (90 per cent of the governement social programs don't work).


I believe you are trying to get out of a debt that you owe and don't want to pay for the services you receive. I'll bet you couldn't even name ninety percent of government programs.

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7. I do not think we should go into Iraq, but I think our military needs a major financial boost. These people put their necks on the line for us, they deserve much better than what the Liberals did to them.


Normally I wouldn't argue with that, but given your other comments I have no choice but to lump you in with L'il Stevie's regressive convertibles. If your plan is to build up our military so they can put their asses on the line to make money for the US...well that ain't gonna happen.

   



Robair @ Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:17 pm

This is the only one I have a huge problem with:

Godz46 Godz46:
3. Tougher Crime Legislation should be put in place. And yes, I believe in Capital Punishment.
Here's hoping you are the first wrongly accused Canadian to sit on death row. Wonder what David Millgard thinks of this?

Gun registration is, and always was, stupid. I don't like privatisation of health care... what else?

Oh, what do the "fine Christians" think of your views on abortion? I, personally, support life and yea, I'm Catholic.

I do not suffer from homophobia. I know a gay guy in SK and three chicks that prefer 'tacos' over 'hotdogs' and guess what? They're all good people.

I think your little hissy fit comes from the fact that you are a conservative living in a country where conservatives are the minority. Down here, lberal-minded folks are "demonized".

   



Rev_Blair @ Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:55 am

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What it is is simply removing any restrictions imposed on private clinics and Hospitals opening up.


What you are talking about is a US-style system where the rich get better healthcare than the poor. That has been shown to be more expensive in study after study.

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With tough crime legislation and the threat of the death penalty these rats will off the streets faster than you might say "whatever".


Tough penalties, including the death penalty, do not act as a deterrent. If you want to get rid of gun crime you have to get rid ofillegal guns. Most of those illegal guns come from the US, so we need stop that from happening.

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If you don't like the fact that GM is laying off 500 people next month, then guess what, you can do one thing, DON'T BUY FROM GM.


I do decide where my money goes and I spend it accordingly. That does nothing to stop multi-national corpoations from playing games that kill people all over the planet. I think the people who run those corporations should be held responsible.

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If your solution to healhcare is simply killliong people off and saving from not having to pay their health bills, then its people like you that are responsible for the deaths of many innocent people not me.


Sorry, I'm not sure what your rant has to do with abortion.

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Nope, I am debt free (12 dollars on the mastercard not included), I don't Gamble and I have a good job. So no outside debts for me (yet).


So now that you've got your government-subsidised education you don't want to pay the bill. Sorry, most Canadians want art galleries and wildlife. Most of us are willing to pay to have those things. It's not our fault if all you want to do is sit around watching TV, but if you the priviledge of living in a democracy you'll have to chip in to pay for what the majority want.

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I just said that I don't want to send them to Iraq (or Iran or Syria for that matter), but I do think that they need the best protection that can get.


That's what most people want. Like I said though, given your other statements I have to assume you vote for Stephen Harper. He would have sent our troops to Iraq.

   



spyder @ Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:53 am

Why is it not OK for homosexuals to get married?

Love has no boundaries. if you love someone no matter what race/gender or religion you should be able to be married to them. Homosexuals are no different then the average person... the only difference is they like the same gender. if you 'forbid' people to get married the problem won't go away.. there'll still be homosexuals in the world.

Tax cuts aren't going to do Canada very good, they're going to put the country in more of a debt.

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I believe you are trying to get out of a debt that you owe and don't want to pay for the services you receive. I'll bet you couldn't even name ninety percent of government programs.

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Nope, I am debt free (12 dollars on the mastercard not included), I don't Gamble and I have a good job. So no outside debts for me (yet).
And yes, I don't know 90 per cent of government programs. So do I really have to pay for a 1 million dollar reaserch about a certain brid species which I will never see in my life. Or a museam of "arts" I don't wanna see. I saw the budget report, and believe you me, I barely use 3-5 per cent of the services provided by the federal government. ( Healthcare, the Highway and Hockey Night in Canada). A tax cut for me would mean a brand new satelite dish.


So, what your saying is it'd be ok to cut wildlife and art? why would you do that? don't you remember elementry school where you learned every species provides for eachother to live? you get rid of wildlife, you get rid of the funds to help endangered species and provid a safe enviroment for all animals, but you'd rather slowly kill the planet because "you don't know or care about wildlife and would rather have your tv"?

whats with this two-tiered healthcare? Would you rather have some rich dick who has some really dumb problem like "scraping his knee" get served before some poor person who has a real emergancy .. like enternal bleeding? I don't find that fair to deny someone health care. If they have a problem, they should be helped, its not fair to allow someone to die because they aren't "rich" enough.

I personally don't think gun regisrty shouldn't be stopped, their are some guns that noone should own.

Capital Punishment... hmm, what about those who are truely innocent and didn't commit the crime, but are in jail. is that fair, to put them on death row? I don't think so. I don't know if you are religous but it sorta sounds like you are. So i'll ask you this.. what about the "god forgives all our sins". Shouldn't they be forgiven and able to get another chance?

I am pro-choice in the abortion debate. I think it should be the females choice, however: i do think that they should do something to minimize thiose women who are stupid and get pregnant multiple times because they think abortion is like a form of birth control.

   



spyder @ Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:54 am

double post

   



twiztidklown @ Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:57 am

the above post was written by me. I forgot to log my boyfriend out.

   



othello @ Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:41 am

Godz46 Godz46:
1. I believe we should have a two-tiered health system. In fact I think only a two-tiered health system will help solve the problems we have in the health field.


All Canadians, regardless of means, should have the same level of access to fundamental medical services. This does not suggest that there is no room, in my mind, for private provision of health services, but it does suggest that you cannot and should not be able to "jump the queue" if you are wealthy.

The wealthier should have the opportunity to purchase non-essential services, such as private hospital rooms and amenities, etc. But, just because someone is not affluent should not mean that they have to wait, immobile, three months longer to replace their hip than the rich guy next door.

Also, it is important that those who DO pay for any form of medical service that is also offered through the public system DO NOT receive any form of tax benefit. In Alberta, people who send their children to private schools get a tax break of their tuition. The net effect of this is to take money out of the public education system, making that system less able to provide a quality education to children who's parents cannot afford private education.

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2. The Gun registry should be scrapped. The program doesn't work, costs too much, it has "Big Brother is watching you" written all over it. As well as being very disrespectful to many families where certain rifles have been in their family for years.


This is less a left/right issue and more a rural/urban issue. The gun registry itself seems to inefficient and ineffective, but I am not against, in principle, the concept. If a registry allows law enforcement personnel to better evaluate a domestic violence situation and saves a life as a result, I'm all for it.

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3. Tougher Crime Legislation should be put in place. And yes, I believe in Capital Punishment.


Crime sentencing is part punishment, part rehabilitation. Very little proof exists for it to be a true deterrent. This is true of capital punishment. I have yet to see proof that shows the introduction of capital punishment has reduced the occurrence of murders, etc. Certainly, some people perhaps deserve it (Bernardo, for example), but the risk to a David Milgaard may not be worth the benefit of getting rid of a Bernardo.

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4. Abortion should legal, but should not be funded by Taxpayers money, unless of course its matter of saving the mother's life or the mother has been victim of rape.


Agree with you there, although there is obvious concern for unwanted children. Let's ensure that there are the appropriate support mechanisms in place so that all babies are born into a world in which they are loved and offered the opportunity to live good lives.

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5. I do not believe in Gay Marriage (Homosexuality is not normal no matter how hard you try to spin it).


You should do some reading of the scientific studies that have shown homosexuality to be pre-determined in the womb. Regardless, I don't believe that a lot of people are normal, but I don't want to take away their rights just because they are different from me. Marriage is, in these terms, a LEGAL definition, so adherence to religious tradition is moot and meaningless (particularly in light of the many churches that are now sanctioning gay marriages).

A homosexual in a committed relationship, without legal marriage, may not be able to visit their partner in hospital or may not be able to ensure that their partner's final wishes are fulfilled after death. These are simple things, but incredibly important.

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6. I believe we pay WAYYYYYYY to much taxes. I say cut taxes, cut government and let individul Canadians advance through innovation instead of advancing themseleves through government bureacracy. (90 per cent of the governement social programs don't work).


The cut taxes argument relies on the belief that the private sector will be better able to offer critical services to Canadians in need than the government. Show this to be the case, and I'll agree with your argument (and I'm mean prove it, not just defend it).

My taxes pay for the education of others. It pays for the military, which largely defends others. It pays for the health care of others. It pays for infrastructure I don't use, but that keeps the economy working well and allows for me to have a job. It pays for social assistance to otherwise productive citizens who've fallen on hard times. It pays for the police to protect our streets and the fire department to protect our property. It pays for the park wardens that protect the wild spaces I love so much. It supports the development of Canadian culture which enhances our sense of community and our sense of uniqueness.

So long as the government spends our money effectively, efficiently and wisely, I don't mind paying taxes in the least. I just hate when it's wasted or spent inefficiently.

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7. I do not think we should go into Iraq, but I think our military needs a major financial boost. These poeple put their necks on the line for us, they deserve much better than what the Liberals did to them.


Let's figure out what kind of armed forces we want. Should we have a land invasion force capable of sustaining full scale war on multiple fronts? Can we have this? What about a quick strike force able to rescue Canadians at risk wherever they are on the globe?

Once we know what we want our military to be, then we can spend the money to make it happen. I would like to see us spend more on the military than we do today, but let's do it intelligently.

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What else..I believe that Free Markets lead to Free People. I do not believe in Corporate welfare, and that Christians are fine folks.


You do not believe that Christians are fine folks? Or do you? Assuming you do believe that they ARE fine folks, I don't think you'll find many people disagreeing with you. Most of us are, after all, Christians. The myth of the persecuted Christian is just that: a myth.

   



othello @ Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:28 pm

Godz46 Godz46:
If certain people want to pay for their own medical services we should have no right in denying them. Otherwise were telling them "You have to suffer like evreyone else". Simply becuase the man has money, does not make him scum.


I think you have this backwards. If someone has very little money, does not make HIM scum. Equality is an important fundamental principle in Canada. Health care is an essential service. If we cannot provide essential health services in a timely manner, the solution is not to move to an inequal system where the wealthy are served quickly and the poor get left waiting behind. The solution should address wait times in a manner that is consistent for everyone. That is what is just and fair in a society that honours equality as a fundamental principle.

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If both of these guys go to a public emergency room, there is no question that the man with enternal bleeding would go in first, regardless of their economic status. That's not what two-tiered health care is!!! If the rich guy goes to a private clinic he is not taking anyone's place on anyone's dime but his own. SAVING ALL OF US HEALTH TIME AND MONEY IN THE PUBLIC SYSTEM!!!


Offering private health care for non-essential services, IMHO, is fine. If a wealthy person wants a physical check-up every week, than let him pay for it, so long as his choice does not impact the ability of a poor person to obtain an essential service (such as an annual physical) in timely manner.

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Fine, may I propose a compromise? Let the federal government give back whatever its paying for art galleries and wildlife protection back to the taxpayers. The first thing YOU do, is take the check, run to your bank, cash it, and run to the nearest wildlife protection NGO (e.g. WWF) and give them your money. Or, take the money and go to a private art gala. If the majority of people really want to support Wildlife and weird paintings like Rev Blair suggested, then the freaky artists and "endangered species" have nothing to worry about.


We have already voted on this issue, but rather than voting with our money, we have voted at the ballot box. You can argue with it all you want, but that it is part of what the majority of Canadians have voted for.

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Now the only convincing argument against capital punishment I'm getting is the threat of being wrongfully accused. Well, all I can say for that is that when convicted the accused has the right to appeal the decision through nine different courts. Followed by a final decision made by the Justice minister. So it would be extreamly difficult for an innocent person to get the death penalty. I have to add that I support the death penalty only if its crisp clear evident the accused is the kiler (e.g. video recording of the killing, confession).


There has been instances where individuals have been sentenced to the maximum penalty (death in capital cases where applicable and life without parole in Canada), have worked their way through all of the appeals, and have only been determined innocent by factors outside of the system (i.e., new DNA evidence, etc.). The system is not perfect, and there are examples of innocent people being found guilty despite all appeal avenues. Having society kill them is not something that sits well with my conscience.

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Really? Man you have to be careful when you state an opinion or a fact.

Whenever you have time read
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The only example that that source provided was from 19th century India. That's not particularly compelling to me. Show me something stronger, and more recent, and maybe you'll have me more convinced.

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Homosexuality:

Allright, for this argument clear your head of any religous doctorine, or study made in the past and answer me this. It takes male chromosones And female chromosomes to create another life. Right? No one can dispute this. This is nature's way of telling us that this is our circle of life. Man and Womman. But I'll make you guys a deal..if you can prove to me that another life can be created between two males or two females. I will resign from my job and work for GLAAD for as long as it takes to get Homosexuals every single right a straight couple recieves.


Since when is legal marriage strictly about procreation??? We can talk in circles on this one about having fertility checks and preventing menopausal women from remarrying.

The use of the notwithstanding clause to prevent homosexual couples from marrying needs to be based on a rationale much stronger than "I don't think it's normal". What harm does homosexual marriage have to society? How does it negatively affect you or I? How do you address the disadvantages that homosexual couples face as a result of their inability to enter into legal marriage with the person that they love?

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Look, if you don't know me, don't start saying things which are untrue. They make you look ignorant. FYI, I receieved a full academic scholarship for NorthWestern, that's where I recieved my B.A. my post secondary education was no government subsidy.


Canadian tuitions are heavily subsidized by the government. You cannot be educated in this country from kindergarten through post-secondary without having received, either directly or indirectly, substantial sums of money from the government.

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And besides, the education sector is controlled by the Provincial Governments, not Ottawa.


Your point?

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Okay..oh yeah someone asked if I can prove if the private sector delivers better services than the public sector:

Okay, ask yourself this:
Which provides a better Bus Serivice: Grayhound or your public bus service.

Which place is better run, cleaner, and more safe?
Disney World or San Fransisco (they are both relatively the same size).

In education, who has a higher failure rate? Private Schools or Public Schools.


You're kidding, right? None of these are comparable.

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Oh yeah, when I spent the entire month of January in New York (the company sent me on a software training course over there) I found out that people had a choice in snow removal, hire a private company to do the removal or city hall. The people who contracted private companies got thier snow removed off their streets and drivae ways WAYYYY sooner than those who contracted city hall.


How much did they pay for private removal relative to municipal removal? Did everyone have to pay municipal snow removal fees, even if they also paid someone else to do it? Were the snow removal organizations able to have more concentrated operations offering greater efficiency? Does the city wait to ensure that, if you have opted to pay someone else to clear your snow, that they don't do it by accident and not get paid?

I don't deny that, given current government structures, government services are often provided in an inefficient manner. We should holding their feet to the fire to improve the efficiency, but we should not always be demanding private service provision.

   



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