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Canadian Health Care + Blingualism = the world of Bizzaro

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canada_bruno @ Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:17 pm

VitaminC VitaminC:
canada_bruno canada_bruno:
I remember something my grade 12 history teacher said. It was, "The rights of the minorities must be protected at all times as long as those rights do not infringe on the rights of the majority." I wonder if this still holds true?


It's the other way around actually.....

And she was not refused service.....

She refused to see any doctor but her own doctor...Her own doctor was working with french patients that day....

And the article said it was not a walk-in clinic......She just basically walked into the place and DEMANDED to see her doctor, WITHOUT having an APPOINTMENT, while he had other people to see.....

And all because she had a cough she couldn't shake.....That's called doctor shopping and abuse of the health care system.


First off, it isn't the other way around. It makes no sense to say that majority rights are the ones that need protection. The majority usually are the ones setting the tone, not the minorities.

I'd want to see my own doctor too. Who wouldn't? If you have a family doctor, that's your doctor.

And what about this: ?????
Marcel Ravary, Mrs. Ravary's husband, said Mr. Bisson at first told him he couldn't use the clinic because his wife is English-speaking, but Mr. Bisson later relented.

Mr. Bisson said this week that Mrs. Ravary could have received treatment if she had attended the clinic with her husband.


So she could have had treatment if she was French-speaking or showed up with a French speaker? Does this mean French-speakers don't need appointments??? Your statement of no appointment has absolutely no merit whatsoever. It was simply discrimination based on language. Let me put it another way. Imagine you walked into a place where people without appointments were getting treatment, and you asked to see your doctor. You are told no because, "we only treat people with gapped teeth, but we would help you if you were accompanied by someone with a gap in their teeth". Sound ridiculous? Absolutely! (by the way, not suggesting you have a gap in your teeth, and I don't care if you do or not... it's just an example of absurd discrimination)

There's no way to defend it. Like I said in my previous post, I think it's great to offer French language services but this is complete BS and it stinks all the way out here in Vancouver.

   



VitaminC @ Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:55 am

canada_bruno canada_bruno:
do not infringe on the rights of the majority." I wonder if this still holds true?



Now that I re-read it, yeah you're right. I was looking at this part which I took as you saying the majority needs to be protected from the minority...

Yeah, you have the right to see your family doctor, but when they are not working at their family practice, you don't.......What if he dedicates every tuesday to do heart surgery.....will you go and demand to see him, if you do someone will miss out on their surgery....

It's simple, if a doctor is designated as working with a specific group of people on that day, it is unfair to take the doctor away from those people....

What if her doctor went to work in a small town that has no doctors every wednesday.....Then she went and demanded to see him, if they let her see him it would mean someone from the small town would miss out.....

If they had allowed her to see the doctor they would have been refusing service to the patients he was suppose to see that day.....while she could have picked any other doctor at another clinic, those people could not go to other doctors.

   



Blue_Nose @ Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:08 pm

Family doctors can't possibly perform heart surgery.

Analogies are fine, but they should at least be plausible.

   



VitaminC @ Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:10 pm

SHUSH

   



Blue_Nose @ Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:12 pm

Well, stop making things up.

   



VitaminC @ Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:13 pm

ok fine, I will change my analogy to....

What if he decides to dedicate his tuesdays to treating Canadian War Veterans who live far away from other doctors and can't get regular treatment.....And then some lady comes in and demands to see her doctor on that day......It means there is a veteran who won't get seen.

God I can't believe we are still talking about this, how long ago did those articles come out? 2 weeks ago?

   



canada_bruno @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:00 pm

I think we may still be talking about it because it stinks of discrimination. This was not a case where a doctor was out seeing war vets or anything like that. If the doctor was in a special place to treat veterans I'd be all over her saying "What's your problem? Can't you wait? Or go to a clinic like everyone else?" This was a situation where she could have received treatment if she spoke French, or was accompanied by a French speaker. That was the only barrier, and it's the same to me as denying service based on religion or race.

I know what you are saying Vitamin C, and I agree. As a child, my family's GP was also a OBGYN. I can't imagine my mother barging into a hospital while the doctor was delivering a baby and yelling "HEY! I have to see MY doctor!". I don't disagree. This situation is different. The patients here are not special needs people. They are regular people in society who happen to be Francophone. I really don't see the problem with the woman putting her name down on the list and waiting her turn like everyone else there that day.

   



Bodah @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:43 pm

I dont care what the circumstances were at that clinic the fact remains if she was french she would of been served so that leaves me to ask what kind of country do we live in where sick people are turned away because they come from an English speaking culture?

   



VitaminC @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:40 pm

I've written pages and pages about this in this thread and the other thread.....If you can't see why the Government of Ontario has a policy of setting up community clinics for specific small communities than go write your MPP a letter.....

I'm done posting about this...

   



VitaminC @ Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:42 pm

canada_bruno canada_bruno:
I think we may still be talking about it because it stinks of discrimination. This was not a case where a doctor was out seeing war vets or anything like that. If the doctor was in a special place to treat veterans I'd be all over her saying "What's your problem? Can't you wait? Or go to a clinic like everyone else?" This was a situation where she could have received treatment if she spoke French, or was accompanied by a French speaker. That was the only barrier, and it's the same to me as denying service based on religion or race.

I know what you are saying Vitamin C, and I agree. As a child, my family's GP was also a OBGYN. I can't imagine my mother barging into a hospital while the doctor was delivering a baby and yelling "HEY! I have to see MY doctor!". I don't disagree. This situation is different. The patients here are not special needs people. They are regular people in society who happen to be Francophone. I really don't see the problem with the woman putting her name down on the list and waiting her turn like everyone else there that day.


The point is, the french people cannot go to another doctor because they don't speak english, or don't speak it well.....

So they either go to the french clinic, or they don't see a doctor....She can go to a hundred different clinics, but they can only go to one.....

They are a special need community. It is a need that people see a doctor who can speak their language.

   



Bodah @ Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:51 am

VitaminC VitaminC:
The point is, the french people cannot go to another doctor because they don't speak english, or don't speak it well.....


I get the point, I also got the point if your english and request medical aid you cant see a doctor at that clinic. In the end the medical aid there is only for french patients, thats wrong no matter how you slice it.

   



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