Conservatism gaining popularity in Quebec
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Conservatism gaining popularity in Quebec
RIVIERE-DU-LOUP, Que. -- It is easy to confuse the hometown of Action democratique du Quebec Leader Mario Dumont with a sleepy rural hamlet -- it's the kind of place where cars give way to snowmobiles and there is a theme park dedicated to church bells.
But with 1,800 businesses in the region employing some 14,500 people, Riviere-du-Loup is a more bustling economic hub than the idyll of its tourist brochures.
"It's grown a lot in the last 10 years,'' cabbie Jacques Michaud says on a tour of his city, which includes century-old churches and modern factories.
Michaud, who is in his 60s, has lived in Riviere-du-Loup, about 225 kilometres northeast of Quebec City, his whole life and points out that locals are used to the good times.
That Dumont's business-friendly message is finally reaching other parts of Quebec brings a smile to Michaud's face.
"It's exciting,'' he says. "People are getting behind him.''
Regardless of how the ADQ fares in Monday's election, the party's surging popularity underscores a new political reality in Quebec -- conservative ideas are becoming more popular.
"The election clearly shows there's a change going on in Quebec politics that we haven't seen in a very long time,'' says Tasha Kheiriddin, a conservative observer based in Montreal and co-author of Rescuing Canada's Right: Blueprint for a Conservative Revolution.
There was a time when conservative forces dominated Quebec politics. After all, Maurice Duplessis and his Union nationale ruled the province for close to 20 years between 1936 and 1959.
But the Quiet Revolution and the rise of the Parti Quebecois in the 1970s created a two-party system tilted toward the left.
The legacy of those years -- Quebec's vaunted welfare model -- is now under the strain of an aging population, while Quebecers have made sport of grumbling about high taxes and longer emergency-room wait times.
"There seems to be dissatisfaction with the Quebec model in general and there is a sense that we need to fix it, change it or abandon it altogether,'' Kheiriddin says.
Dumont's success isn't surprising given the breakthrough the federal Conservatives made in the Quebec City area, a region where the ADQ stands to do well Monday.
"Quebecers are not as inward-looking as they were before,'' Kheiriddin says.
This shift is being played out on campuses and in chat rooms across the province as young conservatives feel emboldened to support free enterprise and criticize such sacred cows as the province's tuition freeze.
"Before in Quebec, you were not well thought of as soon as you favoured such positions -- you were somebody who was unacceptable socially,'' says Vincent Geloso, an economics student at the Universite de Montreal.
Geloso runs a popular website called Coalition des Esprits Libres, a meeting place designed to give Quebec conservatives "moral support.''
"Quebec is now moving in the right direction,'' he says. "It's moving more towards rationalism, a more free-thinking society and ... trying to stop government paternalism.''
Of course not all conservatives are cut from the same cloth and Dumont's campaign has been an exercise in trying to appeal to urban fiscal conservatives while also reaching out to social conservatives in rural areas.
Any confusion about this urban-rural divide was quickly erased when, midway through the campaign, Saguenay radio host Louis Champagne called the Parti Quebecois a "club of fags'' and questioned whether local factory workers would vote for the openly gay Andre Boisclair.
In a written "apology,'' Champagne defended his "right to think differently from Montrealers.''
Kheiriddin suggests that Boisclair's weak numbers in rural areas where PQ support was once strong speak to an "unspoken sentiment that perhaps Quebec is not ready for a gay premier.''
Others, meanwhile, have credited part of Dumont's success to his hardline stand against accommodating religious minorities, which has allowed him to attract Quebec nationalists from the PQ.
Kheiriddin even accuses him of being "a populist surfing a conservative wave.''
But back in Riviere-du-Loup, where rural work ethic has met big-city business acumen, the focus is not so much on specifics.
"People here will welcome anyone with open arms,'' Michaud says. "They just want the city to keep growing."
Bodah @ Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:40 pm
Considering Quebec got 36% more from the Federal budget than the last time around, I can see why.
Wada @ Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:10 pm

MGX @ Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:44 pm
they only care about which political party gives them the most attention. Conservatism my ass they don't give a shit about which party is running.
MGX were not all like your mother... whoring to the highest bidder!
If you knew anything about history is that Québec has a very high conservatism fringe. Union Nationale (before PQ) was very conservatist.
The only reason we have seen less of them in the past 30 years was because the debate was split down the line Federalism vs separatism.
After 30 years, people want other debates. I am not saying the option is dead but Québécers wants to engage in other topics (left and right).
Wullu @ Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:04 am
Light_Plutonium Light_Plutonium:
MGX were not all like your mother... whoring to the highest bidder!
If you knew anything about history is that Québec has a very high conservatism fringe. Union Nationale (before PQ) was very conservatist.
The only reason we have seen less of them in the past 30 years was because the debate was split down the line Federalism vs separatism.
After 30 years, people want other debates. I am not saying the option is dead but Québécers wants to engage in other topics (left and right).
Well well well, ain't we the big bad kid on the block. 18 whole posts and you start a post off with a line like that? How's about you go back to bed and set the alarm for about half past grown up. Then come try again.
Light_Plutonium Light_Plutonium:
MGX were not all like your mother... whoring to the highest bidder!
If you knew anything about history is that Québec has a very high conservatism fringe. Union Nationale (before PQ) was very conservatist.
The only reason we have seen less of them in the past 30 years was because the debate was split down the line Federalism vs separatism.
After 30 years, people want other debates. I am not saying the option is dead but Québécers wants to engage in other topics (left and right).
It's a good remedial explanation, but still far from the whole truth.
Sovereigntism has always been a poliitical force within Quebec. One key political event -- the Quiet Revolution -- has posed a dilemma for sovereigntists. While the Montreal-QC urban belt secularized, rural Quebec remains very much a center of religious fervor. Resultingly, sovereigntist parties have had to walk a very thin tight rope -- present the rational, left-wing image necessary to win support within the urban belt, but also present the religious, traditionalist image necessary to win support in rural Quebec.
The main dilemma is as such: Roman Catholic Quebecois have tradtionally been the strongest supporters of sovereigntism. Yet, most of Quebec lives in urban areas, where the division between federalists and sovereigntists is more split.
Conventional wisdom tells us that voters in rural Quebec are willing to hold their nose and vote for an (allegedly) left-wing sovereigntist party so long as it isn't offensive to their Catholic religious views. However, once said allegedly left-wing sovereigntist party elects a homosexual leader, it immediately alienates itself from these religious voters, which it needs. So these voters swing to a right-of-center party which appears at least to not be entirely hostile to the sovereingtist cause (their leader was even once one of them), and the rest of the story is written.
Of course, when we consider that any party that presents a platform based entirely on ethnic nationalism, that party should be considered an extreme right-wing party. In fact, they are. Any social democratic policy they have ever promoted is nothing more than window dressing for their real agenda, which is actually quite fascist in nature.
Fascit???
Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
I am 1/8 Scotish, 1/4 Irish, 1/8 first nation and 2/4 French Canadian.
Patrick please tell me if I have enough French to be a member of the PQ.
Nothing fascist in trying to get your own country democratically. Did the PQ put minorities in prison? Contrary to the Federal government who did in the 70s, No!!
If you ever took 5 minutes to talk to most PQ members, most of them are very social democrat. To the point that right wing could not voice their own views and left the party.
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If you ever took 5 minutes to talk to most PQ members, most of them are very social democrat. To the point that right wing could not voice their own views and left the party.
Do you mean to tell us that Jacques Parizeau(ironically a self confessed anglophile) was a right winger? His 'allophone' comments after the last sovereignity vote in 1995 were openly racist and resulted in his political death. If anything the political factions that label themselves left leaning tend to have a large percentage of members who are 'racists', specifically anti semitic.
Light_Plutonium Light_Plutonium:
Fascit???
Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
I'm pretty sure that's what I was alluding to, yes.Light_Plutonium Light_Plutonium:
I am 1/8 Scotish, 1/4 Irish, 1/8 first nation and 2/4 French Canadian.
Patrick please tell me if I have enough French to be a member of the PQ.
Well, you'd have to ask the PQ, wouldn't you?Light_Plutonium Light_Plutonium:
Nothing fascist in trying to get your own country democratically. Did the PQ put minorities in prison? Contrary to the Federal government who did in the 70s, No!!
Well, let's take a look at the "democratic activity" of the Parti Quebecois: during the 1995 referendum campaign, they removed non-francophones and infirmed and elderly individuals from the voters' list, knowing they wouldn't be able to bet themselves placed back o the list in time.
Resultingly, the "Yes" side was actually inflated.
That's some great democracy.Light_Plutonium Light_Plutonium:
If you ever took 5 minutes to talk to most PQ members, most of them are very social democrat. To the point that right wing could not voice their own views and left the party.
Any party that wants to build a state based on race is not a legitimate left-wing party.
Well the only one I see talking about race here is you.
You should ask my Vietnamese, African and Lebanese separatist friends why they are part of the PQ.
PQ ideology is not based on race. It is based on the idea of making a French speaking country in North America. The country would be multicultural but its main language would be French.
Your comments only demonstrate your ignorance of the province of Québec. That is how fascism thrives.
And during the referendum the Federal Government bough votes and "naturalised" 50,000 newly arrived immigrants to vote No.
Don't talk to me about democratic values.
Leftists like LIBRANO's will harness anything including racism to attain or keep power.

RUEZ @ Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:15 pm
Light_Plutonium Light_Plutonium:
And during the referendum the Federal Government bough votes and "naturalised" 50,000 newly arrived immigrants to vote No.
Don't talk to me about democratic values.
How come you don't have the Bloc beside your name?
Cause I don't believe in sending the Bloc in Ottawa.
The Québec question is a Québec matter that will be resolved in the Québec Parliament with a referendum. No one else business.
I don't wish to separate from Canada. But I don't like having red necks calling me racist and fascist on no ground. I don't like having the federal government intervening in Provincial matters like health care and education. The taxes should be left vacant from the federal for the province to collect. I don't like having the Fereral set up unrealistic standard to the health system. Stuck in a position where anything you do to fix the programme (including some private sector) you get your funds cut.
Sending bloc to Ottawa served what purpose? To try to convince the rest of the country that independence is a good thing? Come on!!! The only good thing I have seen coming from the Bloc in Ottawa are the last two minority Government.
In the last referendum both side did not play completely clean. Both the Yes side and the Federal government played somewhat dirty. Did it have some impact? Yes. What it extreme .. no. Marginal on both side. If the Yes had won with 50.1 then it would be critical since of the havoc it would have created. In the current situation, the actions was "De bonnes guerres" on each side. Remember that 97% of the population voted. That is more then 6 million people. Probably the most "democratic" events in North America in a long time.
Comparing the PQ to fascism is an insult to anyone that fought and died in WWII. This included all Canadians left in Europe and even here in Myanmar.