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OnTheIce @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:45 pm
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
Secondly, NASCAR is fundamentally different from Formula 1, Champ and Indy because NASCAR is actually exploited by auto manufacturers as a testing ground for their automotive equipment. For the most part, the cars you see ripping around a NASCAR track are the same cars that people will be buying a few years down the road.
That being said, the high speeds that NASCAR drivers compete at shoot the fuel economy of the sport to hell. They could be a lot more economical by restricting the sport to highway speeds, but these cars look a lot less spectacular if they were puttering along at 60mph than they do at 170.
Aside from all of this, it isn't even good political strategy. Political advertising works best when there's a message attached to it, but it's hard to get your message across when you're just slapping your party logo on the hood of a car. It's not exactly like you can fit your party's entire platform there.[/color]
With all due respect Patrick, you're way off base.
NASCAR vehicles have nothing in common with their manufactured counterparts. Nothing at all.
Toro @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:42 pm
Well done NDP.
You're solidifying the white wine socialists in the Beaches while annoying the blue collar vote.
Good job.
Why don't you promote a sex tax? Well, heterosexual sex. After all, no sex means no people who'll pollute the earth.
BartSimpson @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:45 pm
Brenda Brenda:
How are political parties funded in Canada?
(serious question, I really don't know...)
(serious question, I really don't know...)
Graft, bribes, allurment, blackmail, buyoffs, boodle, protection, enticements, deal cutting, influence peddling, sell-outs, treason, and etc.
hwacker @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:50 pm
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
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Secondly, NASCAR is fundamentally different from Formula 1, Champ and Indy because NASCAR is actually exploited by auto manufacturers as a testing ground for their automotive equipment. For the most part, the cars you see ripping around a NASCAR track are the same cars that people will be buying a few years down the road.
Not at all. The street versions that the NASCAR cars are based on are FWD cars with v-6 engines. NASCAR cars have small-block V-8s and use technology approximately like that last found in a mid-eighties pick-up truck. All that is remotely the same is the body style, and NASCAR teams even modify that to fit NASCAR templates.
Nothing about a NASCAR car is like the street versions and it hasn't been a valid testing ground since RWD v-8 automobiles became uncommon in the 1980's.
F-1, CART, and INDY arguably contribute a lot more to street car technologies because they use EFI, computers etc. to produce a lot of power with a relatively small engine. They also contribute to other areas of automotive engineering like ABS braking, traction control, and crush zones.
Yeah cause NASCAR just uses a 4 barrel holley and a set of headers,
Stick to things you know, that's going to be a short list but it will prevent the foot in the mouth virus you have.
OnTheIce @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:47 pm
hwacker hwacker:
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
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Secondly, NASCAR is fundamentally different from Formula 1, Champ and Indy because NASCAR is actually exploited by auto manufacturers as a testing ground for their automotive equipment. For the most part, the cars you see ripping around a NASCAR track are the same cars that people will be buying a few years down the road.
Not at all. The street versions that the NASCAR cars are based on are FWD cars with v-6 engines. NASCAR cars have small-block V-8s and use technology approximately like that last found in a mid-eighties pick-up truck. All that is remotely the same is the body style, and NASCAR teams even modify that to fit NASCAR templates.
Nothing about a NASCAR car is like the street versions and it hasn't been a valid testing ground since RWD v-8 automobiles became uncommon in the 1980's.
F-1, CART, and INDY arguably contribute a lot more to street car technologies because they use EFI, computers etc. to produce a lot of power with a relatively small engine. They also contribute to other areas of automotive engineering like ABS braking, traction control, and crush zones.
Yeah cause NASCAR just uses a 4 barrel holley and a set of headers,
Stick to things you know, that's going to be a short list but it will prevent the foot in the mouth virus you have.
He's pretty bang on hwacker, don't see a problem there.
ridenrain @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:52 pm
I think the Liberals are just jealous because their all in debt after the convention and all they have to show for it is Dion.
Personally, if I want to watch retaards drive around in circles, I'll set up a lawn chair in the wallmart parking lot.
ridenrain @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:36 pm
While we're at it:
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Myriam Bédard
Former Via Rail employee Myriam Bédard gave startling testimony before a parliamentary committee looking into the scandal:
That Canadian racecar driver Jacques Villeneuve was secretly paid $12 million from the sponsorship fund to wear a Canadian logo.
That her domestic partner Nima Mazhari persuaded then-prime minister Jean Chrétien not to join the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
That then-Via president Marc LeFrançois told her Groupaction was involved in drug trafficking.
In February 2004, she said she had been fired from a marketing job at Via after questioning the expense of Groupaction contracts.
In 1994, Bédard won two gold medals in biathlon at the Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway. She is the first Canadian woman to win two Olympic gold medals.
Former Via Rail employee Myriam Bédard gave startling testimony before a parliamentary committee looking into the scandal:
That Canadian racecar driver Jacques Villeneuve was secretly paid $12 million from the sponsorship fund to wear a Canadian logo.
That her domestic partner Nima Mazhari persuaded then-prime minister Jean Chrétien not to join the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
That then-Via president Marc LeFrançois told her Groupaction was involved in drug trafficking.
In February 2004, she said she had been fired from a marketing job at Via after questioning the expense of Groupaction contracts.
In 1994, Bédard won two gold medals in biathlon at the Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway. She is the first Canadian woman to win two Olympic gold medals.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/group ... oswho.html
Blow it out you're ass, Who's Voting liberal.
hwacker @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:56 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
hwacker hwacker:
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
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Secondly, NASCAR is fundamentally different from Formula 1, Champ and Indy because NASCAR is actually exploited by auto manufacturers as a testing ground for their automotive equipment. For the most part, the cars you see ripping around a NASCAR track are the same cars that people will be buying a few years down the road.
Not at all. The street versions that the NASCAR cars are based on are FWD cars with v-6 engines. NASCAR cars have small-block V-8s and use technology approximately like that last found in a mid-eighties pick-up truck. All that is remotely the same is the body style, and NASCAR teams even modify that to fit NASCAR templates.
Nothing about a NASCAR car is like the street versions and it hasn't been a valid testing ground since RWD v-8 automobiles became uncommon in the 1980's.
F-1, CART, and INDY arguably contribute a lot more to street car technologies because they use EFI, computers etc. to produce a lot of power with a relatively small engine. They also contribute to other areas of automotive engineering like ABS braking, traction control, and crush zones.
Yeah cause NASCAR just uses a 4 barrel holley and a set of headers,
Stick to things you know, that's going to be a short list but it will prevent the foot in the mouth virus you have.
He's pretty bang on hwacker, don't see a problem there.
Do you really think NASCAR has no connection with the auto manufactures?
F1 CART and Indy are all prototypes.
ridenrain @ Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:48 pm
Ader cuts NDP's Judy Wasylycia apart as she spews rhetoric like a sewerepipe spews shit.
If you get through the whole thing, you begin to believe that she thinks this too, is George Bush's fault.
[web]http://www.cjob.com/shows/adler.aspx?mc=76765[/web]
I guess with the media being locked out of the Quebec liberals meeting, they really have nothing else to discuss.
Patrick_Ross @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:32 pm
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
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Secondly, NASCAR is fundamentally different from Formula 1, Champ and Indy because NASCAR is actually exploited by auto manufacturers as a testing ground for their automotive equipment. For the most part, the cars you see ripping around a NASCAR track are the same cars that people will be buying a few years down the road.
Not at all. The street versions that the NASCAR cars are based on are FWD cars with v-6 engines. NASCAR cars have small-block V-8s and use technology approximately like that last found in a mid-eighties pick-up truck. All that is remotely the same is the body style, and NASCAR teams even modify that to fit NASCAR templates.
Nothing about a NASCAR car is like the street versions and it hasn't been a valid testing ground since RWD v-8 automobiles became uncommon in the 1980's.
F-1, CART, and INDY arguably contribute a lot more to street car technologies because they use EFI, computers etc. to produce a lot of power with a relatively small engine. They also contribute to other areas of automotive engineering like ABS braking, traction control, and crush zones.
You're wrong. Entirely. The fundamental design elements of the engines are essentially the next couple of model year's engines. That's why the engines themselves normally cost upward of a full million dollars.
Furthermore, the brakes, steering, transmissions, etc. are also test models being developed for future release.
Whereas the design of an F-1, CART, CHAMP, or Indy car itself is entirely different, making for a generally unsuitable test vehicle because they are built for speed and speed alone, whereas stock cars are built to resemble the street models of the cars in look and approximate performance. This isn't to say you can take your street model Chevy Monte Carlo out and drive it like Jeff Gordon does, however. The NASCAR versions are generally a much more sophisticated version of the street model.
Finally, F-1, CART, CHAMP and Indy make no comparable contribution to traction control or crush zones. ABS braking is a little more arguable, but you can't claim that you are contributing to breakthroughs in components that are nothing like the street model of the car.
Patrick_Ross @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:34 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
Secondly, NASCAR is fundamentally different from Formula 1, Champ and Indy because NASCAR is actually exploited by auto manufacturers as a testing ground for their automotive equipment. For the most part, the cars you see ripping around a NASCAR track are the same cars that people will be buying a few years down the road.
That being said, the high speeds that NASCAR drivers compete at shoot the fuel economy of the sport to hell. They could be a lot more economical by restricting the sport to highway speeds, but these cars look a lot less spectacular if they were puttering along at 60mph than they do at 170.
Aside from all of this, it isn't even good political strategy. Political advertising works best when there's a message attached to it, but it's hard to get your message across when you're just slapping your party logo on the hood of a car. It's not exactly like you can fit your party's entire platform there.[/color]
That being said, the high speeds that NASCAR drivers compete at shoot the fuel economy of the sport to hell. They could be a lot more economical by restricting the sport to highway speeds, but these cars look a lot less spectacular if they were puttering along at 60mph than they do at 170.
Aside from all of this, it isn't even good political strategy. Political advertising works best when there's a message attached to it, but it's hard to get your message across when you're just slapping your party logo on the hood of a car. It's not exactly like you can fit your party's entire platform there.[/color]
With all due respect Patrick, you're way off base.
NASCAR vehicles have nothing in common with their manufactured counterparts. Nothing at all.
If by that you mean to say that the components they're testing in NASCAR have yet to be released for the street models, you would be right about that.Otherwise, you've just demonstrated how "off base" you are.
OnTheIce @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:38 pm
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
This isn't to say you can take your street model Chevy Monte Carlo out and drive it like Jeff Gordon does, however. The NASCAR versions are generally a much more sophisticated version of the street model.
What does Jeff Gordon's #24 and a Monte Carlo have in common?
To say it's a more sophisticated version is a bit of a stretch. It's a completely different car. Different chassis, different suspension, different engine....what do they have in common?
GerryHurt @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:56 pm
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:
Secondly, NASCAR is fundamentally different from Formula 1, Champ and Indy because NASCAR is actually exploited by auto manufacturers as a testing ground for their automotive equipment. For the most part, the cars you see ripping around a NASCAR track are the same cars that people will be buying a few years down the road.
That being said, the high speeds that NASCAR drivers compete at shoot the fuel economy of the sport to hell. They could be a lot more economical by restricting the sport to highway speeds, but these cars look a lot less spectacular if they were puttering along at 60mph than they do at 170.
Aside from all of this, it isn't even good political strategy. Political advertising works best when there's a message attached to it, but it's hard to get your message across when you're just slapping your party logo on the hood of a car. It's not exactly like you can fit your party's entire platform there.[/color]
That being said, the high speeds that NASCAR drivers compete at shoot the fuel economy of the sport to hell. They could be a lot more economical by restricting the sport to highway speeds, but these cars look a lot less spectacular if they were puttering along at 60mph than they do at 170.
Aside from all of this, it isn't even good political strategy. Political advertising works best when there's a message attached to it, but it's hard to get your message across when you're just slapping your party logo on the hood of a car. It's not exactly like you can fit your party's entire platform there.[/color]
With all due respect Patrick, you're way off base.
NASCAR vehicles have nothing in common with their manufactured counterparts. Nothing at all.
If by that you mean to say that the components they're testing in NASCAR have yet to be released for the street models, you would be right about that.Otherwise, you've just demonstrated how "off base" you are.
straight from Ford
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Ford will brand its COT as the Fusion, just like the current racecar. Meanwhile, Chevrolet will introduce its COT as the Impala and Dodge will introduce its COT as the Avenger.
For the manufacturers, the stock-car racing no longer is a matter of "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday." Stock cars and street cars have only a handful of parts in common. Yet car manufacturers still find merit in NASCAR's association with street machinery, prominently illustrated by the addition of Toyota to this year's Nextel Cup field.
"It comes down to this," says Dan Davis, director of Ford Racing. "To be credible, you have to win, both races and championships. Building up that credibility influences a customer to the point that when they are ready to buy, they're thinking Ford." It doesn't matter, Davis says, whether it's a Ford Fusion or a Five Hundred or a truck or a minivan. The credibility is for the brand, not the model.
For the manufacturers, the stock-car racing no longer is a matter of "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday." Stock cars and street cars have only a handful of parts in common. Yet car manufacturers still find merit in NASCAR's association with street machinery, prominently illustrated by the addition of Toyota to this year's Nextel Cup field.
"It comes down to this," says Dan Davis, director of Ford Racing. "To be credible, you have to win, both races and championships. Building up that credibility influences a customer to the point that when they are ready to buy, they're thinking Ford." It doesn't matter, Davis says, whether it's a Ford Fusion or a Five Hundred or a truck or a minivan. The credibility is for the brand, not the model.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Fe ... eId=119186
Toro @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:04 pm
If Dion sponsored a car, it would go 40 mph, max.
baylee @ Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:37 pm
Wullu Wullu:
Has He's Voting for Oil ever actually participated in a thread it created after the initial post?
Has rideatarin ever responded to a thread where her response had anything to do with the topic???
ridea tain says.....
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on't worry,, like Avro said: We'll just plant some more trees.
By reflection, the Liberals and NDP supporting the Tamil Tigers, Hamas, and all the assorted nuts that live in Palistine sounds a whole lot more dangerous.
By reflection, the Liberals and NDP supporting the Tamil Tigers, Hamas, and all the assorted nuts that live in Palistine sounds a whole lot more dangerous.