CSIS, Foreign Affairs squabbled ...
human @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:09 pm
CSIS, Foreign Affairs squabbled over letter to Syria over jailed Arar
OTTAWA -- Canada's spy agency clashed with Foreign Affairs over a proposed letter intended to free Maher Arar from a Syrian prison.
Information disclosed Monday by the federal inquiry into the Ottawa man's case shows the Canadian Security Intelligence Service objected in spring 2003 to saying Canada had no evidence Arar was involved in terrorist activity. Instead, CSIS wanted to tell Syria that while there was not sufficient evidence "at this time" to warrant criminal charges, Arar remained a "subject of interest."
In the end, a letter with modified language was eventually sent by then-prime minister Jean Chretien on July 11, 2003. It stated there was "no Canadian government impediment" to Arar's return.
It was previously known that the RCMP had made similar objections about the draft letter to Syria.
Arar was released and returned to Canada in autumn of 2003.
The revelations are contained in a 12-page summary of inquiry hearings on the actions of CSIS in the Arar matter.
Substantial portions of the summary were blacked out by the government despite the inquiry's desire to release the complete text. It may take a Federal Court of Canada hearing to resolve the dispute.
"We are very surprised and disappointed with the government's position on what the public is entitled to know," commission counsel Paul Cavalluzzo told a news conference.
Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian, was detained in New York in September 2002 on suspicions of involvement in Osama bin Laden's terrorist network.
The telecommunications engineer, travelling on a Canadian passport, was soon after deported to his birthplace by U.S. authorities.
Arar, 35, says he was tortured by Syrian officials in a stark prison cell before being released last year. He denies any involvement in terrorism.
The government established a commission of inquiry earlier this year to get to the bottom of what role Canadian officials may have played in the case.
Due to national security concerns, much of the inquiry testimony has taken place behind closed doors.
The commission continues to hear secret testimony concerning the RCMP's role.
Jim Bronskill
Canadian Press
Monday, December 20, 2004
http://www.canada.com/national/story.ht ... 21a5c1b732
Deancoo @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:24 pm
Nice. Really interesting. I wonder what Human thinks about this?
human @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:31 pm
Deancoo,
$1:
Nice. Really interesting. I wonder what Human thinks about this?
Since you are the greater thinker of all, why don't you tell us what we must think or get kicked out?
Deancoo @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:34 pm
human human:
Deancoo,
Since you are the greater thinker of all, why don't you tell us what we must think or get kicked out?
$1:
Nice. Really interesting. I wonder what Human thinks about this?
Since you are the greater thinker of all, why don't you tell us what we must think or get kicked out?
YOU STARTED THE THREAD!!!!
Idiot.
Vanni_Fucci @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:11 pm
Well this is just more evidence of the racial profiling in the police state that Bush has implemented, and Human has declared his unwavering support for the Bush regime...
...so I would imagine that he doesn't have too much to say about it at all...I'm surprised he even brought it up...
human @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:27 pm
Deancoo,
human human:
Deancoo,
Since you are the greater thinker of all, why don't you tell us what we must think or get kicked out?
$1:
Nice. Really interesting. I wonder what Human thinks about this?
Since you are the greater thinker of all, why don't you tell us what we must think or get kicked out?
YOU STARTED THE THREAD!!!!
Idiot.[/quote]
You don't have to sign with your family name either, even if you are smart enough to realize who started the thread.
Ok Mr Gran Idiot.
human @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:35 pm
Vanni_Fucci,
$1:
Well this is just more evidence of the racial profiling in the police state that Bush has implemented, and Human has declared his unwavering support for the Bush regime...
...so I would imagine that he doesn't have too much to say about it at all...I'm surprised he even brought it up...
...so I would imagine that he doesn't have too much to say about it at all...I'm surprised he even brought it up...
Bush regime????????
Vanni_Fucci @ Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:46 pm
human human:
Vanni_Fucci,
Bush regime????????
$1:
Well this is just more evidence of the racial profiling in the police state that Bush has implemented, and Human has declared his unwavering support for the Bush regime...
...so I would imagine that he doesn't have too much to say about it at all...I'm surprised he even brought it up...
...so I would imagine that he doesn't have too much to say about it at all...I'm surprised he even brought it up...
Bush regime????????
Ok...sorry, I should have said Bush-Backed-PNAC-Zionist-Agenda...does that clarify things enough for you???
Deancoo @ Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:16 am
Oh great now both idiots are actively participating on this thread, which Human started and neither have offered opinions on. Hey morons, do you have an opinion, or are you just going to flame all day?
Rev_Blair @ Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:53 am
At any rate....Did you guys see the shots of the report on TV yesterday? Most of it was blacked out. Think that's really for national security? I doubt it. If there was that much evidence in the report, they'd have Maher Arar on trial. Instead they've all but said that he is innocent.
The government, especially CSIS, is covering their asses because this whole thing shows that the USA is trampling on the rights of the innocent and the Canadian government, when they passed that rights-raping anti-terrorist bill, dived right into the facism in the name of keeping trade moving.
McLellan sold our freedoms down the river for a few sheckles. The rest of the Liberals cheered her on, and the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives only criticism was that the laws weren't brutal and regressive enough. Nice leaders, eh?
human @ Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:30 am
Rev_Blair,
$1:
At any rate....Did you guys see the shots of the report on TV yesterday? Most of it was blacked out. Think that's really for national security? I doubt it. If there was that much evidence in the report, they'd have Maher Arar on trial. Instead they've all but said that he is innocent.
The government, especially CSIS, is covering their asses because this whole thing shows that the USA is trampling on the rights of the innocent and the Canadian government, when they passed that rights-raping anti-terrorist bill, dived right into the facism in the name of keeping trade moving.
McLellan sold our freedoms down the river for a few sheckles. The rest of the Liberals cheered her on, and the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives only criticism was that the laws weren't brutal and regressive enough. Nice leaders, eh?
The government, especially CSIS, is covering their asses because this whole thing shows that the USA is trampling on the rights of the innocent and the Canadian government, when they passed that rights-raping anti-terrorist bill, dived right into the facism in the name of keeping trade moving.
McLellan sold our freedoms down the river for a few sheckles. The rest of the Liberals cheered her on, and the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives only criticism was that the laws weren't brutal and regressive enough. Nice leaders, eh?
Without your Jihadists rhetoric about the USA, I believe strongly that every Canadian citizen as long as they don’t have proof for his treason [which they claim they don't] have the same rights as the people they accused him such grave accusation and it doesn’t matter if it was a GVT agency or the PM himself as long they don’t have proof for his treason; therefore it doesn’t matter who did what and why, they are both guilty of degrading this citizen’s rights according to the constitution.
With a grave accusation such as this and the result that derived from their action that harmed this citizen, it can’t be a case of “between” it is either he is guilty or he is not, and if he is not then who is responsible for this debacle must surface not because he owes to Arrar but because he owes to Canada.
Vanni_Fucci @ Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:51 pm
human human:
Without your Jihadists rhetoric about the USA, I believe strongly that every Canadian citizen as long as they don’t have proof for his treason [which they claim they don't] have the same rights as the people they accused him such grave accusation and it doesn’t matter if it was a GVT agency or the PM himself as long they don’t have proof for his treason; therefore it doesn’t matter who did what and why, they are both guilty of degrading this citizen’s rights according to the constitution.
With a grave accusation such as this and the result that derived from their action that harmed this citizen, it can’t be a case of “between” it is either he is guilty or he is not, and if he is not then who is responsible for this debacle must surface not because he owes to Arrar but because he owes to Canada.
With a grave accusation such as this and the result that derived from their action that harmed this citizen, it can’t be a case of “between” it is either he is guilty or he is not, and if he is not then who is responsible for this debacle must surface not because he owes to Arrar but because he owes to Canada.
Holy shit...
...assuming I've interpretted his post correctly, I think I may actually agree with Human... 
Rev_Blair @ Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:49 pm
$1:
therefore it doesn’t matter who did what and why, they are both guilty of degrading this citizen’s rights according to the constitution.
It matters very much who did what and why they did it. Some of us were saying that something like this would happen when the Patriot Act and the Canadian anti-terrorism laws came in. We got told we were supporting terrorists.
Now that it turns that we were right, we're being told it doesn't matter who it was who rammed this thing down our throats and no they aren't going to change things. So this will happen again. We have to put the blame where it belongs in order to change things.
Vanni_Fucci @ Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:14 pm
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
$1:
therefore it doesn’t matter who did what and why, they are both guilty of degrading this citizen’s rights according to the constitution.
It matters very much who did what and why they did it. Some of us were saying that something like this would happen when the Patriot Act and the Canadian anti-terrorism laws came in. We got told we were supporting terrorists.
Now that it turns that we were right, we're being told it doesn't matter who it was who rammed this thing down our throats and no they aren't going to change things. So this will happen again. We have to put the blame where it belongs in order to change things.
Damn...thanks for the translation Rev...I guess I'm not in agreement with Human after all...
