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Actually that would be a typical liberal ploy. But thanks for playing.

   

Why? I'm surprised you didn't insult me, that seems to be your thing lately.

   

Tracking device that will tell authorities where the holder is at any time

To be tracked is not to be free. The camel head in the tent to get this passed will be boarder crossings. If so why not have a boarder pass for the US/Can boarder like um a passport? Much cheaper and does not have the potential of becoming an albatross like the gun registry.

This system will have a great deal of control over rights and freedoms and the decisions regarding it will be largely made south of the boarder. The best interests of Canadians should remain in Canada shouldn't they?

   

No thanks.

   

When I lived in Windsor, a drivers license was all that was needed to cross into Detroit and they only ever checked the driver. I haven't crossed since 9/11 though.

   

A Birth Certificate is a heavy piece of documention...my mom makes us take passports simply because shes afraid of loosing certificates...

   

Problem with the birth certificate and photo ID is not only is it easy to spoof not every official document is uniform so detecting forgeries is next to impossible for the boarder guards. However, making a compulsory form of ID that can also be a yet another means to track your comings and goings is not the best solution.

There is a court case brewing in the US that is contesting that passports will be needed and using the justification that you only need a birth certificate to get back in to your country of origin. By the book they are dead to rights but I would not hold my breath on them winning however. More than likely under Stockwell I see by 2007 we will be looking at a P.A.S.S system that will make the gun registry look effective by comparison.

   

They've been trying to bring in this ID card in Britain for years now and the House of Commons finally had a vote on it and it's been vetoed. Though it should be mentioned that 'they' is actually Tony Blair and even his own party members voted against it.

It's going to be controversial in any country. I think it's a retarded idea personally, why can't they just put the money towards making the passport more secure rather than plugging millions into a card that a lot people are going to lose anyway?

   

I did manage to cross the border back to Canada with my driver's licence once when the US government had my birth certicate for passport processing. That was four years after 9/11.

I just wanted to say it's better to be safe to bring two forms than one: a photo ID and proof of citizenship/permament residency.


I'm just telling the guy that it's not required to have passports to cross at this moment.

The border agents on both sides already track your entries and exits by photographing your car's license plate. Face it, we're being tracked in some way. They might look into the databases from your IDs provided to them to check your backgrounds. They might record your entries and exits to keep track of your records. Each sides have the right to know who are those people coming in their countries and make sure they're not criminals or doing something unlawful.


Erm, that's the cause of the issue. The issue arose when the US planned to require passports to cross all borders into the USA from Canada by end of 2007. The USA dropped the demand not too long ago in favor of creating an ID accepted universally by sides. The US and Canada do not want to risk seriously restricting billions of dollar trade crossing the border every day. Canada's economy would suffer badly due its heavy dependence on trades with the USA. The USA won't get off unsacted either.

Passports cheap? I had to shell out $115US for my American passport last year. I read it costs Canadians $100 for theirs.


It's being done. Many countries including Canada and the US are developing to include a chip embedded in the passports providing biometric datas and so on.



And to be clear for everyone. I'm not taking any sides on this "national ID cards" yet. I do not know the propostions: what will be the features on the card, what are the costs, will the cost be paid by the government or cardholder, etc.

   

My take on this is that we need a citizen card. Not just to go in the states but for voting too. with a citizen card it would be very hard for people to commit electoral fraud. And it would be a lot easier to vote in a riding where you just have move. Once you would have voted it would be impossible for you to go and vote in another polling station since your ID would have already been register for that vote.

Biometric should also be included in order to prevent identity theft.

A+

   

Look, it is pretty simple. If you want to leave the country then get a damned passport. $50 for what...5 years? I pay that much for my drivers licence for 5 years. 85 cents a month for a piece of ID that allows you to travel the world seems a pretty good deal to me. When I travel to the States when not being taken there via one of Her Majesties Canadian Ship's I always use a passport. It is simpler and faster than the other options.

   

Avro, nice dodge on the issue here. This was indeed a Liberal plan, or Liberal "logic" not a Conservative one...

On December 12,2001 John Manley, who was at that time the Liberal Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, entered an agreement with Tom Ridge, the USA Homeland Security Director, called the 30 point Smart Border Declaration.By that agreement both signatories on behalf of their respective countries promised to create a new regime of North America. That plan included, among other things, the promise to introduce the radio frequency ID cards, biometric identifiers in documentation( DNA markers, eyeprints, fingerprints), permanent resident cards, no fly lists (i.e. lists of people not allowed to fly.), no passport lists (i.e lists of people not allowed to renew their passports), surveillance of internet use, email, cell phone and fax communications, sharing of revenue Canada and census information (i.e. divulging all the personal and financial data of Canadians to the USA Homeland Security Office), and anti-terrorism legislation. .

   

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