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Oh I see. You've become upset because you claimed I should learn more about Catholic views on the consumption of alcohol based on the learned position that you get drunk at Knights of Columbus functions. You also claimed that I am ignorant of the Church's position on gambling as you have witnessed Poker Derbys.

But, the cowardice soon shows as you refer to me as an "Anne Coulter" style debater. I flatly accuse you of being unaware of her debating style as she spouts right-wing rhetoric ad naseum with little original interjection. All of my counter-arguments are exactly that, "counter"-arguments. They use pieces of your original argument, highlight the defect in your thinking or reasoning and are then reassembled and posted here. Perhaps you haven't become accustomed to analyzing information presented to you. Afterall, I've been to your Catholic masses and I don't recall a Q&A period. Apparently, it upsets the priest.

Debate myself that 43% of Canadians are Catholics? Huh? That's a trivial argument anyway. If 13,000,000 Canadians are Catholics, 9,000,000 more are some sort of Protestant denomination, representing 22,000,000 of roughly 30,000,000 Canadians, why then is divorce legal? Why can women get an abortion if they so choose? Why then did the Supreme Court strike down anti-Sunday Shopping laws in Alberta? Why can I buy pornography and liquor? If the Church is so powerful (although you've left the debate like a little coward), why then is all of that possible?

It would seem the Christian churches' influence has waned to the point of irrelevence.

I don't know whether you're a big reader, but the Globe & Mail had an excellent article written by a Professor of Religious Studies at Queen's University this past Saturday who thoroughly skewered the Christian church's claim to be the traditional source of marriage.

Uh-oh, I noticed you retracted your 'welcome'. I guess you missed Matthew 19:19 which asked you to love your neighbour as yourself. But, of course, I don't know as much about Catholocism as you do.

   

Putz,

Your name is most appropriate. If you had bothered to read any of the previous posts, you would have read where Robair (claiming to be a Knight of Columbus) stated he and his KOC buddies got sauced at KOC functions as a reason why I didn't understand the Vatican's position on the consumption of alcohol. I merely pointed out to him that his anecdotal drinking is both alarming and irrelevant.

Anyway, since you're apparently an uneducated person starting a fight, I'll leave it up to you to figure out the defect in your thinking. I'll give you a hint though. It involves me saying that the Catholic Church is opposed to gambling as it is a sin and a vice and Robaire the Intelligaire saying I don't know what I'm talking about as he's a Knight of Columbus who organizes Poker Derbies. HINT HINT Putz, HINT HINT. Feel free to read all about it in his posts if you don't wish to believe me.

However, do you have anything to bring to the debate or are you going to act as an ignorant cheerleader of poorly articulated and defectively reasoned Christian views?

I shan't be holding my breath for a good answer.

   

Somebody spends waaay too much time on forums.

Let's hope not.



Seperation of Church and state? Deafinatly! No intelligent person would argue otherwise.

Now, should the church still have influence in society?



One could also argue the problem may be kids raised without religion. If left to find one of thier own, Satanism probably looks the sexiest...

   

Robair,

How many Satanists do you think they're are? Next you'll find the boogey-man running D&D sessions.

Besides, apparently you grew up with religion and then developed a hearty zest for booze. Are they correlated? I don't know.

Christianity espouses cannabalism and imitative magic all in communion. Oh yeah, kids need this like kids need a railroad spike in the eye.

Booga-booga.

   

Ouch! Now that is a fine example of razor-sharp wit! You must be channelling Voltaire! Who spends too much time in forums? Surely this isn’t coming from the hypocrite with over a 1000 posts here alone (that doesn’t include your Jesus sites, anti-abortion forums, Opus Dei chat groups and anti-evolution newsgroups)? Nice work! Do you even have a point in there??

Keep on truckin’ in 2005!

   

I grew up Catholic too...I can tell you that the hearty zest for booze isn't just correlated to Catholicism, it's an integral part of the community. Oh, and you know that Frank Zappa song about Catholic girls? It's true, every word of it.

The thing is that a couple of Hail Mary's and all is forgiven. It's like a license to get drunk and screw. It's actually a pretty good way to grow up, but you have to get used to the nun flashbacks.

   

Wouldn't work, I can't speak french. I've been here about two years now, do the math. (Oh, shit what am I thinking) It works out to less than two posts a day for me... aaaand somewhere around ten I'm betting for you.
First forum I ever posted at. The only other one would be www.canuckabroad.com , I think I've got a totall of three posts over there. Use the inet for Canadian content, and to follow the CFL, it's the only way I can. Before moving I didn't have much use for it. On your first day here (I'm addressing both of you, you seem to be somehow attached), you show up and bash my religion. My families religion, and a large part of my home communities religion. (I'm not holding my breath for any apologies.)

Then try to 'prove' yourself 'right'? Yea, maybe we should disband the church, and along with it the K of C, those kids can buy there own wheelchairs damnit. Same with that battered womans shelter, what are they whining about anyway? I mean, can you imagine if people started to actually live by the ten commandments? Love thy neighbor... nothing but chaos can come from that.

You were the guy claiming to know what he's talking about, right?

   

Robair,

When it comes to Catholicism, don't kid yourself, you haven't a clue what what's going on around you.

Cannabalism and imitative magic in communion. Look at the actions and the sacraments that are read during it. Don't just be a Catholic grunt, think for yourself. Of course, you tried to claim I didn't understand the Vatican's position on alcohol because you can't go five seconds without booze at a KOC function so I can imagine the depth of thinking you'll apply to the problem. Most likely, it'll be like the day people reported the symphony of cracking aneurysms heard 20 paces away when you first observed a traffic-light.

Secondly, I've now been accused of bashing your religion. By what, questioning its role in social policy? By pointing out the historical annexation of Christian social policies by their secular counterparts? Unlikely. How did YOU respond? Benighted ad hominem attacks you COULDN'T BACK UP and then you claimed I wasn't worth your time plus you weren't coming back.

Of course, you want to know what would happen if people followed the Ten Commandments immediately followed by the reference to Matthew 19:19 I suggested to you? The two are totally incongruous biblical references. It was a nice effort, but the grasp exceeded your reach. You also have to clarify WHICH Ten Commandments you're referring to there St Thomas Aquinas. And not just the biblical discrpency between the 20th Chapter of Exodus and the 5th of Deuteronomy, but across religions. Or did you perhaps mean the SECOND Ten Commandments? Keep reading Exodus old bean until you hit 34. All that aside, pray tell, how will not letting my cattle labour on the Sabbath keep the world a better place?

When it comes to biblical scholarship, you're like an errant toddler wandering out on to a busy freeway. Look out!

Wow, you're wrong on alot of counts, aren't you? Perhaps you should consider making the most of your limited abilities by focusing on phoning late-night sports-talk radio shows with Roughrider statistics and suggestions for the coach.

   

Robair,

Perhaps you could actually offer some poignant arguments about the thread’s topic instead of obfuscating the point by spewing tangents that fail to persuade anyone.

Let’s revisit one of your first efforts (a poor one, mind you) at trying to foster a dialogue – you initially wrote, “Kindly learn a thing or two about my religion before bashing it.” I directly challenged you to substantiate that baseless supposition and you cowered from the question. Subsequent attempts to have you back up your erroneous assertion met with shifty, cowardly acts (including one that stated this was a “waste of time). Simply put, you are a superstitious simpleton whose utter lack of integrity warrants little respect – you’ll keep dodging and I’ll keep pressing and you’ll appear disingenuous in the process.

Wow, thanks for the bio! What’s your point? This somehow quashes the hypocrite label? You post/day statistics are lower than mine? Thanks Rainman, but so what? Talk about fallacious logic!! Oh…betting, too? Does Opus Dei know? Won’t this require penance?

Posting, for me, doesn’t require a major cognitive workout. It’s easy and entertaining. If it taxes your meagre intellectual abilities, that’s too bad, but don’t project your cerebral shortcomings on to me.





I’ll question whatever religion I see fit – I don’t need your permission or formal endorsement to legitimatize my actions either. If your feeble, delicate self-esteem can’t withstand a dialogue on religion then don’t participate! You are perfectly welcome to cower at the moon, perform ritual magic, and talk to your adult imaginary friend – it’s your prerogative. If your faith is that vacillatory than perhaps you should conduct some spiritual searching, but don’t rant and whine like a three year old with a skinned knee because someone has the audacity to present a contradictory view of your mysticism. Damn.



I am right. Perhaps you, with your infinite wisdom, could try to prove me wrong. I’ll eagerly await the intellectual train wreck you call a rebuttal.

   

Ill tell you buddy, if that greater power is a tree and thats what gets you through another day then so be it..In AA your greater power is what ever YOU deem it to be, ..

ALSO I see that this thread is starting to look like it will become a flame war here so ill ask you all now to cool your jets.. before things get too far out of hand... This is a perfrect example why religious discussions are not a good thing...It allways starts and war of words and sometimes even a war or two.... So tone it down fine people

   

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