Gov't refuses extradition for Khadr despite Court ruling
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:28 pm
Akhenaten Akhenaten:
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Arar was found not guilty, not innocent but let's leave Arar out of this.
He was found neither as far as I know, unless you're listening to the Syrians. The government of Canada was found to be delinquent in it's duties and the RCMP/CSIS were found to be liars, liars, with their pants on fires.
Wow.. Let me check the Wikipedia entry on that one..
Actually, it was Omar:
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An FBI interrogator told a military court in Guantanamo Bay Monday that Khadr said he recognized a photo of Arar because the Ottawa engineer had stayed at terrorist "safe houses" in Afghanistan.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/573432
..but that's probably all suspect, like all the facts on the Khadr family.
Proculation @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:33 pm
Why should we bring him here ? If I commit a crime in another country, I can't demand extradition to be judged here.
Other reason, with our great justice system, he will certainly be released hours after being back.
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:35 pm
I agree. If anything, we need t light a fire under Obama's ass to get this trial over with.
Akhenaten @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:40 pm
You don't need to check wiki on the outcome of the lawsuit. That's what I was referring to.
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An FBI interrogator told a military court in Guantanamo Bay Monday that Khadr said he recognized a photo of Arar because the Ottawa engineer had stayed at terrorist "safe houses" in Afghanistan.
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FBI Special Agent Robert Fuller testified he showed Khadr a picture of Arar during an October 2002 interrogation at the U.S. base in Bagram, Afghanistan.
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FBI Special Agent Robert Fuller testified he showed Khadr a picture of Arar during an October 2002 interrogation at the U.S. base in Bagram, Afghanistan.
That's interesting. Lets try and visualize this. So they stop him at the border, hold him and go show a photo of him (probably the passport photo) to Omar...and Omar says, "Oh yeah, eh? I've seen that guy at safe houses", and then they ship him to Syria.
But that doesn't explain why the RCMP flagged him. They explained it as a pure brain fart. Pretty lucky for the US, eh? We just pick a citizen at random (well dual citizenship with Syria probably raised an eyebrow) and it turns out Omar from pakistan on the other side of the world recognizes him from a safe house.
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Fuller mentioned Arar when listing what pictures Khadr was shown during his interrogation. The timing of Khadr's interrogation may prove important. Fuller testified that he started Khadr's interrogation in Bagram on Oct. 7, 2002.
Arar was detained at New York's JFK airport on Sept. 26, 2002 and held in U.S. custody. On Oct. 8, one day after Khadr's interrogation began, Arar was rendered to Syria where he was tortured and held without charges for almost a year.
Arar was detained at New York's JFK airport on Sept. 26, 2002 and held in U.S. custody. On Oct. 8, one day after Khadr's interrogation began, Arar was rendered to Syria where he was tortured and held without charges for almost a year.
Oh yeah eh? I'm having a hard time believing that.
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"How can you respond to something without being able to know the true source of the information and the circumstances under which the information was given?"
I'm inclined to agree.
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:43 pm
Found innocent, just like Mulroney or Chretien and OJ. 
Akhenaten @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:51 pm
Found wrongfully accused or imprisoned like so many people in the news in the recent past.
DNA has cleared how many people lately?
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Michel Dumont of Quebec was convicted in 1992 of sexual assault, kidnapping and uttering death threats against a neighbour who picked him from a photograph. Dumont had an ironclad alibi, but spent 34 months of a 50-month sentence in prison for a crime he did not commit. The victim recanted six months later after she saw Mr. Dumont's lookalike in a video store. She contacted the police five separate times, but it was not followed up. At Dumont's appeal in 1994, this information was not raised and his appeal was turned down. Further efforts by supporter Solange Tremblay led to an acquittal by the Quebec Court of Appeal in 2001. Michel Dumont is currently seeking compensation for this blatant miscarriage of justice.
Herman Kaglik spent five years in prison after being sentenced in 1993 to 10 years imprisonment for sexual assault. The Court of Appeal in the Northwest Territories entered an acquittal in 1998 based on DNA findings. The complainant, in a dying declaration, told police that Kaglik was innocent; that declaration was never disclosed.
Herman Kaglik spent five years in prison after being sentenced in 1993 to 10 years imprisonment for sexual assault. The Court of Appeal in the Northwest Territories entered an acquittal in 1998 based on DNA findings. The complainant, in a dying declaration, told police that Kaglik was innocent; that declaration was never disclosed.
etcc., etc.
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:39 pm
leewgrant leewgrant:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
HaRdLy HaRdLy:
Let him rot.
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Good politics by Harper. It'll keep the pot boiling on the issue in the event Iggy pulls the plug on Parliament. The Liberals will be identified as the party wanting to repatriate a terrorist/murderer.
I think this could work. They've always been soft on justice or terrorim and that puts them right in with the NDP. There's plenty more Canadians who don't like the Kahdrs and the hyphenated Canadians. Even many of the new imigrants are finding that the Liberals wacky religious and drug views are way too soft for them.
poquas @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:50 pm
Another crap attack topic which doesn’t seem to address the issue at hand.
I do not support this piece of crap and I don’t want him back here either, HOWEVER, it’s beginning to look like being a Canadian citizen isn’t equal. If you’re white and blond, cry a little, and get some press behind you, you too can be released from a foreign prison and flown home on a private jet at taxpayers’ expense (Brenda Martin). Anything other than that and you may have your passport revoked and have the government ignore you until the publicity becomes unbearable in the most senior offices.
With respect to Gitmo and Kahdr, very other US ally has already done as they were asked to by the US government and repatriated their citizens. Canada is the only exception.
Kahdr’s case is so full of holes, the military doesn’t even want to hold the trial. Never mind the internationally illegal status that this whole base is operating under and the US government is desperately trying to find a way out of. There is of course the issue of Kahdr being a child soldier and therefore should never have been charged under international law.
I don’t care if we lock this POS up forever (assuming there’s a legal way to do it), but our government is supposed to treat all citizens equally and has a responsibility to do its job. The issue of immigration is a whole other problem that should be addressed, but unless the Feds are planning to go back and revoke all the citizenships of convenience (and there are way too many of those), they can’t play favourites now.
The Supreme Court is going to (in no uncertain terms) tell Harper and his government that they’re acting like racists and force the repatriation of this jerk and give him the grounds to sue on top of it.
Zipperfish @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:53 pm
leewgrant leewgrant:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
HaRdLy HaRdLy:
Let him rot.
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Good politics by Harper. It'll keep the pot boiling on the issue in the event Iggy pulls the plug on Parliament. The Liberals will be identified as the party wanting to repatriate a terrorist/murderer.
Murderer? He killed an enemy soldier. This, apparently, is the general point of war. This has eluded you somehow? The problem with the Yanks is that they go in to some backwater country, guns blazing, mowing down any enemy combatants/soldiers/insurgents/terrorists/whatever-we're-calling-them-this-week, along with scores if not thousands of hapless civilans that happen to be standing in the general vicinity. But one of theirs gets plugged and its the lamenting and the rending of clothes and the wails of "Why did they do this to us?" My advice: If ou're going to invade a country, you're going to lose a few. Deal with it. man up. Sheesh.
Bodah @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:58 pm
I'm all for Harper not doing a damn thing for Kadhr, I dont know what happens once it gets to the supreme court when they rule in favor of bringing Kadhr back and "order" Harper to do so. I hope Harper sticks to his guns on this. That reminds me I should send his office an email voicing that.
As far as I'm concerned that family should have their citizenship revoked and whatever members of this family weren't born here sent back from where they came. They're obviously citizens of convience and can't stand our way of life, hate our society, values & culture. As soon as soldier Kadr, not child soldier because he was 15 at the time when caught. Left the safety of Canada to go to a warzone where our soldiers and allies are fighting and dying thats when he lost his citizenship.
Where was the CBA when Sampson was in Saudi Arabia ? No where , the British got him out. Coincidence that the CBA said nothing about Kadhr for 4 years, but when the Conservatives get in power all of sudden in 2006 its Bring Kadhr home ? Bull shit. At least Harper isn't using Kadhr for anything more than I can say for the CBA.
Travel Advisory = go to a warzone get into a firefight with our allies where you may or not be guilty of killing some one, tough shit your on your own we dont want you back no Canadian Citizenship for you.
Bodah @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:00 pm
DP
Proculation @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:44 pm
He should just be tried for treason and hanged.
Akhenaten @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:18 pm
poquas poquas:
Another crap attack topic which doesn’t seem to address the issue at hand.
It may be a crap topic but I promise I didn't bring it up to attack Harper.
I voted for Harper and as it stands I'm likely to do it again.poquas poquas:
With respect to Gitmo and Kahdr, very other US ally has already done as they were asked to by the US government and repatriated their citizens. Canada is the only exception.
Kahdr’s case is so full of holes, the military doesn’t even want to hold the trial. Never mind the internationally illegal status that this whole base is operating under and the US government is desperately trying to find a way out of. There is of course the issue of Kahdr being a child soldier and therefore should never have been charged under international law.
I don’t care if we lock this POS up forever (assuming there’s a legal way to do it), but our government is supposed to treat all citizens equally and has a responsibility to do its job. The issue of immigration is a whole other problem that should be addressed, but unless the Feds are planning to go back and revoke all the citizenships of convenience (and there are way too many of those), they can’t play favourites now.
The Supreme Court is going to (in no uncertain terms) tell Harper and his government that they’re acting like racists and force the repatriation of this jerk and give him the grounds to sue on top of it.
Kahdr’s case is so full of holes, the military doesn’t even want to hold the trial. Never mind the internationally illegal status that this whole base is operating under and the US government is desperately trying to find a way out of. There is of course the issue of Kahdr being a child soldier and therefore should never have been charged under international law.
I don’t care if we lock this POS up forever (assuming there’s a legal way to do it), but our government is supposed to treat all citizens equally and has a responsibility to do its job. The issue of immigration is a whole other problem that should be addressed, but unless the Feds are planning to go back and revoke all the citizenships of convenience (and there are way too many of those), they can’t play favourites now.
The Supreme Court is going to (in no uncertain terms) tell Harper and his government that they’re acting like racists and force the repatriation of this jerk and give him the grounds to sue on top of it.
Thank you. This is exactly my reasoning for saying I think Harpers making a mistake here. I brought up Arar earlier not in relation to his guilt or innocence but rather just that the case against him fizzled and one of the factors that made us liable for that was because we let someone else do it.
As you point out the case against Khadr is full of holes regardless of his guilt or innocence. Personally I think the entire family is suspect and needs to be deported, but that is beside the point. If the U.S. finds him not guilty or worse simply throws the case out (which I don't think they'll do), then he flies back here to sue us. Now for sake of argument lets say he goes on to do that and it costs us another $10 million like it did with Arar. Ok maybe Harper thinks a risk at $10 million somewhere down the road is worth it (and that's who politicians think, even the ones you vote for), and frankly if it was anyone else I'd probably just roll my eyes at the whole deal, but the idea that we could be forced apologize officially and give the Khadr family $10 million bucks makes me want to hurl a molitov cocktail at something. No way man. We know the family is guilty as sin in terms of who's an enemy.
If on the other hand we are successful in extraditing him to Canada and we try him here we are much more protected from liable. We would've afforded him all the rights to a fail trial here. Guilty or not we're protected.
Proculation @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:33 pm
A Quebec woman killed his son in New York state some months ago. The U.S. judge refused to let her go into a Canadian prison because she would be out in a matter of some years or even now. That's a good reason not to bring him back. Here he will certainly be out on his first day here.
OnTheIce @ Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:37 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
HaRdLy HaRdLy:
Let him rot.
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