Harper's Upcoming Budget - Is it the Coalition killer?
tamtam10 @ Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:23 am
The upcoming budget will either make or break the conservative party. If the budget is successful, they will likely remain in power. If it is not, an election is very likely to be the result.
http://informedvote.ca/2009/01/harper-f ... /#more-456
Tman1 @ Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:32 am
I doubt it and frankly I don't care. I hope it makes headline news and ground-breaking rules because that coalition stunt was the most excitement I had in a while and this winter isn't going away. Get rid of the bloc and i'll listen.
TrinityJ @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:17 pm
get rid of the bloc? too many people in this country hate on the Bloq. You guys have to give it up. The Bloq isnt part of the coalition, just a supporter of it btw.
uwish @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:21 pm
thats funny, I say his signature of the memo of understanding,
to me that smells like 'member'
ridenrain @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:36 pm
TrinityJ TrinityJ:
get rid of the bloc? too many people in this country hate on the Bloq. You guys have to give it up. The Bloq isnt part of the coalition, just a supporter of it btw.
You're full of shit.
The coalition cannot exist without the Bloc.
I think one of the first things Harper should do after the budget passes because of Liberal abstention is scrap the political wellfare funding. Screw the bloc and those who hang with them.
DerbyX @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:55 pm
Just like Harpers coalition needed the bloc back in 04 when he set the whole thing in motion.
ridenrain @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:59 pm
I never saw any signatures on that doccument.
We definately saw Dion's and Iggy's on the doccument for the sedition coalition.
The new Government is supported by parties that share a commitment to fiscal responsibility, a progressive agenda and a belief in the role of Government to act as a partner with Canadians and Quebecers.
DerbyX @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:07 pm
Thats because Layton told him forget it when Harper proposed it. We did read Harpers urging of the GG to "consider all the possibilities" WRT parliament and who governs.
You can either accept that Harper tried to do it first (as both the NDP and Bloc say he did) or you can live in complete denial.
Again, whats truly said is you honestly think you have a better way for CDN politics and actually do think you are a "reformer" in that sense and actually do think Harper and the CPC are different then all the rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Mustang1 @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:26 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Thats because Layton told him forget it when Harper proposed it. We did read Harpers urging of the GG to "consider all the possibilities" WRT parliament and who governs.
You can either accept that Harper tried to do it first (as both the NDP and Bloc say he did) or you can live in complete denial.
Again, whats truly said is you honestly think you have a better way for CDN politics and actually do think you are a "reformer" in that sense and actually do think Harper and the CPC are different then all the rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
You can either accept that Harper tried to do it first (as both the NDP and Bloc say he did) or you can live in complete denial.
Again, whats truly said is you honestly think you have a better way for CDN politics and actually do think you are a "reformer" in that sense and actually do think Harper and the CPC are different then all the rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Righto! The coalition framework - whether partisan hacks like it or not - did not formally include the Bloc. In fact, the Bloc would remain an OPPOSITION party and while Bloc cooperation would be necessary for bill passage this is really no different than Harper's previous minority government's legislative operation.
I guess it's one thing to be ignorant of politics, but it's another thing for people to constantly and consistently misunderstand or misrepresent the issue. Willful ignorance is not a virtue.
On an aside, the budget's gonna' pass as an election or coalition government isn't really in the cards for Igggy.
DerbyX @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:27 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Thats because Layton told him forget it when Harper proposed it. We did read Harpers urging of the GG to "consider all the possibilities" WRT parliament and who governs.
You can either accept that Harper tried to do it first (as both the NDP and Bloc say he did) or you can live in complete denial.
Again, whats truly said is you honestly think you have a better way for CDN politics and actually do think you are a "reformer" in that sense and actually do think Harper and the CPC are different then all the rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
You can either accept that Harper tried to do it first (as both the NDP and Bloc say he did) or you can live in complete denial.
Again, whats truly said is you honestly think you have a better way for CDN politics and actually do think you are a "reformer" in that sense and actually do think Harper and the CPC are different then all the rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Righto! The coalition framework - whether partisan hacks like it or not - did not formally include the Bloc. In fact, the Bloc would remain an OPPOSITION party and while Bloc cooperation would be necessary for bill passage this is really no different than Harper's previous minority government's legislative operation.
I guess it's one thing to be ignorant of politics, but it's another thing for people to constantly and consistently misunderstand or misrepresent the issue. Willful ignorance is not a virtue.
On an aside, the budget's gonna' pass as an election or coalition government isn't really in the cards for Igggy.
The extra "g" is for "greatness"!
Mustang1 @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:32 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Thats because Layton told him forget it when Harper proposed it. We did read Harpers urging of the GG to "consider all the possibilities" WRT parliament and who governs.
You can either accept that Harper tried to do it first (as both the NDP and Bloc say he did) or you can live in complete denial.
Again, whats truly said is you honestly think you have a better way for CDN politics and actually do think you are a "reformer" in that sense and actually do think Harper and the CPC are different then all the rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
You can either accept that Harper tried to do it first (as both the NDP and Bloc say he did) or you can live in complete denial.
Again, whats truly said is you honestly think you have a better way for CDN politics and actually do think you are a "reformer" in that sense and actually do think Harper and the CPC are different then all the rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Righto! The coalition framework - whether partisan hacks like it or not - did not formally include the Bloc. In fact, the Bloc would remain an OPPOSITION party and while Bloc cooperation would be necessary for bill passage this is really no different than Harper's previous minority government's legislative operation.
I guess it's one thing to be ignorant of politics, but it's another thing for people to constantly and consistently misunderstand or misrepresent the issue. Willful ignorance is not a virtue.
On an aside, the budget's gonna' pass as an election or coalition government isn't really in the cards for Igggy.
The extra "g" is for "greatness"!
Or "goddamnit" i just had a typing stroke.
bootlegga @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:35 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
I never saw any signatures on that doccument.
Plenty of signatures on the bills the Bloc helped Harper pass in the past two years though...
Tman1 @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:44 pm
TrinityJ TrinityJ:
get rid of the bloc? too many people in this country hate on the Bloq.
Uhh right. Ever wonder why?
PlatCanada @ Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:11 pm
Would someone please take a look at how Parliamentary Democracy is actually supposed to work?
Our country is divided into 308 federal parts. Each one of these send a representative to Ottawa to represent for their interests. Quebec is no exception. They are allowed their representatives, too.
If you have an issue with the fact that the Bloc Quebecois has so much power, maybe you should look at a way to make it more fair for everyone.
The way to do that, proportional representation.
If we put that in place, there would probably never again be a majority government unless a majority of Canadians opted for one party over the others. Then we would be talking alot about coalition governments, wouldnt we?
Funny how the Tories would lose a hefty ammount of seats should we go to PR, and so none of them want to do anything about it, but when it comes to talking about the Bloc they whine about how they have so much undue power for their popular numbers.
Mustang1 @ Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:21 am
PlatCanada PlatCanada:
Would someone please take a look at how Parliamentary Democracy is actually supposed to work?
Our country is divided into 308 federal parts. Each one of these send a representative to Ottawa to represent for their interests. Quebec is no exception. They are allowed their representatives, too.
If you have an issue with the fact that the Bloc Quebecois has so much power, maybe you should look at a way to make it more fair for everyone.
The way to do that, proportional representation.
If we put that in place, there would probably never again be a majority government unless a majority of Canadians opted for one party over the others. Then we would be talking alot about coalition governments, wouldnt we?
Funny how the Tories would lose a hefty ammount of seats should we go to PR, and so none of them want to do anything about it, but when it comes to talking about the Bloc they whine about how they have so much undue power for their popular numbers.
Our country is divided into 308 federal parts. Each one of these send a representative to Ottawa to represent for their interests. Quebec is no exception. They are allowed their representatives, too.
If you have an issue with the fact that the Bloc Quebecois has so much power, maybe you should look at a way to make it more fair for everyone.
The way to do that, proportional representation.
If we put that in place, there would probably never again be a majority government unless a majority of Canadians opted for one party over the others. Then we would be talking alot about coalition governments, wouldnt we?
Funny how the Tories would lose a hefty ammount of seats should we go to PR, and so none of them want to do anything about it, but when it comes to talking about the Bloc they whine about how they have so much undue power for their popular numbers.
Go to the proportional rep thread - federal-elections-f43/election-reform-in-canada-proportional-representation-t69054.html - as this has already been addressed (as has PR major drawbacks). It is not a better solution.