Michael Ignatieff, in his own words

HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:38 am

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Dennis is wearing a hockey shirt and jeans, and his thin blond hair is down to his shoulders. His Quebecois is fast, heavily accented, and sometimes too much for my French-French.... The core of my separation from Dennis comes down to this: we cannot share a nation-- we cannot share it because I am English-speaking and he is French-speaking

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We need a presidential order or Congressional legislation that defines exactly what constitutes acceptable degrees of coercive interrogation. Here we are deep into lesser-evil territory. Permissible duress might include forms of sleep deprivation that do not result in lasting harm to mental or physical health, together with disinformation and disorientation (like keeping prisoners in hoods) that would produce stress

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"The disagreeable reality for those who believe in human rights is that there are some occasions --and Iraq may be one of them-- when war is the only real remedy for regimes that live by terror. This does not mean the choice is morally unproblematic. The choice is one between two evils, between containing and leaving a tyrant in place and the targeted use of force

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The unfolding catastrophe in Iraq condemned the political judgment of a president. But it has also condemned the judgment of many others, myself included, who as commentators supported the invasion

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ON ISRAEL'S 2006 AIR STRIKE ON QANA, LEBANON, WHICH LEFT 28 CIVILIANS DEAD
"This is the kind of dirty war you're in when you have to do this and I'm not losing sleep about that."
What critics said Wasn't this guy a human rights professor?
How he responded "I was a professor of human rights and I am also a professor of the laws of war, and what happened in Qana was a war crime and I should have said that."
What Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in response to that comment
"[It is] consistent with the anti-Israeli position that has been taken by virtually all of the candidates for the Liberal leadership."

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ON THE COALITION
"A very credible weapon of dissuasion." --Dec. 4, 2008
"Coalition if necessary, but not necessarily coalition." --Dec. 7, 2008

A nice slection of flip flops from the new pesumptive liberal leader. Pro-iraq war, then anti-Iraq war, pro toture and Anti-Jewish

The new leader speaks

uwish @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:45 am

what a liberal leader flip flopping? more than dildo or dithers?

wow

/end sarcasm here

nice to know they are going to get a real spinster yankee as the leader of the undemocratic party.

Will he resign his US citizenship?

interesting as well as his many back tracks

bootlegga @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:16 am

Kind of like this?

Or this?

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Designing, building and deploying three new “armed naval heavy ice breakers” (and creating deep-water docking facilities for these vessels near Iqaluit on Baffin Island) is the most dramatic aspect of the newly announced Conservative plans for ensuring Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic.

Politicians flip flop all the time. You are suckers to think otherwise...

DerbyX @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:51 am

Then there is Harpers flip-flop over iraq and here.

Then there is the whole floor-crossing, EI surplus usage, political porkbarreling, etc.

Zipperfish @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:56 am

I imagine the pundits will have a heyday with Ignatieff. After all, the guy made a living for decades by publishing and speaking on crtical foreign policy issues. Lots of ammo in there, I'm sure.

I like Igantieff. Streikes me as more of a pragmatist than an idealogue. Smart guy--no one doubts that. Of course the question is--and the Liebrals will live or die by the answer--Can he lead?

2Cdo @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:43 am

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think Ignatieff will try to pull the Liberal party back to the centre, rather than hang out with the NDP in left-wing land. I agree that he is a very well educated fellow, but then again so was Dion! You definetly nailed it with your last words, and only time will tell if he can or cannot.

Tominalberta @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:05 pm

so who is this ego maniac?... now he seems to think he can form a coalition government without the ndp. he says the ndp and the bloc have to support him???

Haha... I thought he was the best choice for your party, but its quite obvious that he has the same entitlement issues as the rest of the party.

What a joke.

If the liberal party wants to be relevent again, the party has to be stripped to nothing and rebuilt.

PluggyRug @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:32 pm

After climbing into bed with the Bloc and NDP, Iggy's taken on a huge uphill battle. I think he will drop the "coalition" like a hot potatoe.

mtbr @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:35 pm

It will be interesting to watch which one of these comments the NDP and Bloc will remind him of.

ridenrain @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:09 pm

Tominalberta Tominalberta:

We have a winner!

So, is he an American still?

ShepherdsDog @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:31 pm

In order for the Liberal Party to become a true liberal party, once again, it has to return to its grass roots. Fiscal conservatives with a prudently tolerant social agenda. Traditionally, the liberals have always ruled from the right while they talked a good talk from the left, while they sat as opposition.

HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:46 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:

Then there is Harpers flip-flop over iraq and here.

Then there is the whole floor-crossing, EI surplus usage, political porkbarreling, etc.

the difference being is that the Leader of Canada's largest and most popular party didnt take us into Iraq did he. While the current leader of the Liberals wholly supported an invasion of Iraq. not to menton the flip flops of all liberals in demanding we pull ouy of Afghanistan after they sent us there. All the more credit to Primie minster Harper for keeping us out of Iraq beforehand , long after while Iggy was still supporting the War, torture and calling Israelis War criminals

This is after Martin had already sent troops to Iraq

and i quote

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Martin also said no more Canadian troops would be sent to Iraq. But if a request was made, he's sure Canada would further consider lending its expertise

Canadian General in charge of US troops in Iraq during Liberal rule, since Martin was PM at the time he and the liberals are solely responsible for getting Canada into the Iraq war

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Canadian Forces Major General Peter Devlin has served as Multi-National Corps - Iraq Deputy Command General since December 14, 2006 as part of his role as Deputy Commander of the US III Corps
through an officer exchange program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War

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Canada did allow its NORAD stationed Air Force members to fly combat missions and deploy with the USAF E-3 AWACS during the war and allowed its exchange officers in the Army, Navy, and Air Force to deploy and fight with their US units. 40-50 Canadian Military Members participated in the conflict, the majority flying on the E-3 AWACS, based out of Tinker AFB, OK, where they are stationed as part of NORAD

Again during the liberal adiminstration.

and then there is Adscam, HRDC scandal , gun registry, the CSL steamship lines Scandal etc etc

You lose Again

ShepherdsDog @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:35 pm

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"I made it clear to them, and I hope I make it clear to Canadians, that we are not in coalition together," he said.

Michael Ignatieff on the proposed coalition with the NDP and Bloc

DerbyX @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:12 am

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/1 ... 41014.html

Fail. Next.

The rest of your crap is just same-ole same-ole trying to excuse CPC corruption by pointing to Liberal instances.

It wasn't the Liberals who ran on a platform of no-floor crossers. harper did though and broke it faster then you can cry about it.

Harper ran on a platform against pandering to QC and that was before he cut a 2 billion pay-off check to Charest to help him and lay the groundwork for CPC gains in QC. Thats also not counting billions in porkbarreling he sent their way. Then we might mention the non-stop bitching about the Lib using the EI surplus in general revenue, an act he continues to do today to an even greater extent.

Hypocrite thy name is Harper (and you for that matter).

How about being the self-appointed saviour of the military? All those broken promises and cancelled projects well exceed the Liberals whos surpluses are the very reason Harper didn't simply cancel every single military purchase promise.

Gun registry? What, the same one Harper still has with no plans to eliminate despite repeated promises to the contrary.

Adscam? 1 billion given to his consulting buddies in plain view no doubt. Then their is the case of their extravagant luxury flights and accomodations dispelling the myth of conservative frugality.

As for polling out of Afghanistan, enough is enough. Seems you are your ilk are so busy lauding Harper as a hero for the 2011 withdrawl you have forgotten that just because people think a mission was right to begin with doesn't mean circumstances don't change.

Fail. Next.

mtbr @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:13 am

my favorite.

"The unfolding catastrophe in Iraq condemned the political judgment of a president. But it has also condemned the judgment of many others, myself included, who as commentators supported the invasion"

it's okay when your a Liberal! :roll:

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