Quebec sets their sights on Alberta's wealth
MustangJay @ Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:37 am
Can you believe this nonsense? http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investi ... id=4693367 Quebec elites have figured out yet another way to try and squeeze more money from this country, particularly their nemesis English counterparts out west. Look, nationalizing the oil industry is not a reality and would only lead to massive job losses, and I believe a subsequent break up of the western provence from Canada. These elites in Quebec need to get over themselves and put aside their bitterness about no longer being the principal decision maker in Canada. As economic power shifts from Ontario-Quebec to BC, Alberta, and Saskatchewan this kind of nonsense will no longer be talerated. Coincidentally, the article makes no such mention of nationalizing Quebec's massive hydro-electric power industry. Give me a break.
grainfedprairieboy @ Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:18 am
Ontario and Quebec are in decline and many economists believe that the next decade will be the market correction to the subsidies that have thus far prevented the two provinces from taking their rightful place in the rustbelt but soon to join Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Whether like a drowning man they try to pull us under or we can keep them afloat indefinitely seems to be the question out here.
Perhaps Harper can find a way to pull off an economic miracle but from what I’ve seen in the business papers, manufacturing jobs out East are in steady decline for about the last 36 months with the saving grace being the combination of retiring baby boomers and their placing more demand on the service sector.
The Maritimes were once the economic powerhouse of Canada just like America's South. There is no doubt Western Canada and its commodities are the future, but hopefully we find a way to fully participate in Confederation before we are forced out of Confederation.
Patrick_Ross @ Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:26 am
This buy is dumb with a capital D, U, M and B. Under NAFTA, we can't nationalize our oil and gas industry without paying all the companies currently active in it compensation, not merely for current investments, but for all future profits that would be lost to them. That would bankrupt the country.
MSNBC would be wise to not pay any attention to retarded old codgers and irrelevant fourth-rate economists longing for the old ideological debates of the Cold War.
Clogeroo @ Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:38 am
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There is no doubt Western Canada and its commodities are the future, but hopefully we find a way to fully participate in Confederation before we are forced out of Confederation.
Still say we should go before we get dragged down even more. What do we gain by staying?
CrazyCanuck007 @ Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:08 pm
quebec, filled with whinners and babies.
lets build a 10 foot wall around it and make it the world's largest outdoor swimming pool!
biopiracy @ Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:54 pm
MustangJay MustangJay:
Can you believe this nonsense?
yes
MustangJay MustangJay:
Quebec elites have figured out yet another way to try and squeeze more money from this country, particularly their nemesis English counterparts out west. Look, nationalizing the oil industry is not a reality and would only lead to massive job losses, and I believe a subsequent break up of the western provence from Canada. These elites in Quebec need to get over themselves and put aside their bitterness about no longer being the principal decision maker in Canada. As economic power shifts from Ontario-Quebec to BC, Alberta, and Saskatchewan this kind of nonsense will no longer be talerated. Coincidentally, the article makes no such mention of nationalizing Quebec's massive hydro-electric power industry. Give me a break.
Well of course they can't nationalize quebec hydro natural resources are provincial jurisdiction unless you count when the federal government ran manitobas for 50 years or NEP I and soon to be NEP II.
Course those western provinces are different and have it comming.
I fear if Dion gets elected he will do an NEP II and split Canada then all the Ontarioites can be glad to be left with Quebec. Waht is that bull about how ontario is exempt from Kyoto measures Canada will just hit Alberta.
I think the biggest producer in canada of GHG is in Ontario. Ontario Hydro?
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
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There is no doubt Western Canada and its commodities are the future, but hopefully we find a way to fully participate in Confederation before we are forced out of Confederation.
Still say we should go before we get dragged down even more. What do we gain by staying?
You get to subsidize failed social engineering programs in other provinces.
Rihx @ Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:44 pm
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Well of course they can't nationalize quebec hydro natural resources are provincial jurisdiction unless you count when the federal government ran manitobas for 50 years or NEP I and soon to be NEP II.
There wont be a NEP II, not unless the nation becomes collectivly retarded and elects Dion or Layton. Even then, there are leagel hurdles that would be very difficult to get around.
Durandal @ Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:24 pm
For those interseted, read "The Deadbeat" from Maclean's, published just a few weeks ago.
Rihx @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:11 am
Durandal Durandal:
For those interseted, read "The Deadbeat" from Maclean's, published just a few weeks ago.
care to give an overview?
Durandal @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:29 am
Rihx Rihx:
care to give an overview?
Well, it's about who socialism screwed Québec's economy and who the other provinces are paying for it.
I can't post a link because I'm under 10 posts.
Durandal @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:38 am
Scroll down...
Durandal @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:39 am
Scroll down...
Durandal @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:50 am
I tried to post a link, but it does not work even if I'm over 10 posts. 
*****
Controlled by unions and stuck on big government, Quebec is in economic peril -- and doing very little about it...
A few selected quotes :
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Things are so bad that Quebec's GDP ranks 54th out of 60 provinces and states in North America -- behind many with a fraction of its population and resources. GDP is routinely 20 per cent below that of Ontario.
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper has hinted that the March 19 federal budget will take steps to correct the so-called 'fiscal imbalance.' Translation : a hefty transfer payment to Quebec, which already gets $2.2 billion a year more from the federal government than it contributes.
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There are some 195,000 daycare spaces, costing roughly $1.4 billion a year. The province now claims 43 per cent of Canada's regulated child care spaces, though it only has 23 per cent of the country's children under the age of 13. In five years, the total cost of the daycare system has increased by 140 per cent.
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Today, a Quebec student entering university pays on average 65 per cent less than his equivalent in Ontario. Low tuition certainly hasn't translated to more graduates. Quebec has both the lowest university attendance and the lowest degree-completion rate.
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Since the Quiet Revolution, a mammoth civil service has become ingrained in Quebec's political culture. The number of civil servants in Quebec per capita is roughly twice that of Ontario. But the system is becomming increasingly unsustainable.
Durandal @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:52 am
Here's the article :
Maclean's - Le deadbeat
Durandal @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:54 am
Ha, it worked !
(The link I mean, not socialism.)
