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The fundamental flaw of progressivism

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BartSimpson @ Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:23 pm

Indeed. The current day Klan sports some 5,000 to 8,000 members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

While ISIS/ISIL alone has around 200,000~ direct and associated participant members.

   



sandorski @ Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:27 pm

Individualist Individualist:
sandorski sandorski:
Individualist Individualist:
This clip from Bill Maher's show sums up very well this double standard on the part of the progressive left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8G94ZGUmKo


It doesn't.


Seriously, the KKK? Of course, one expects this kind of nonsense to come out of Al Sharpton's mouth, but this comparison has become a favourite of commentators on the left.

http://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2015/11/28 ... Arguments/

To Al and Jeremy, let me know when the KKK starts expanding outside of the Southern US and actively recruiting members in Western Europe and Australia, as well as former colonies in Africa and the Americas with a large white population, and then starts killing people in numbers exceeding even their post-bellum heyday. Then your moral equivalence comes close to being reasonable.

The reason though that North American progressives are always harder on Christianity than on any other religion (aside from the ethnic angle that Maher nails perfectly) is that they believe that the enemy of their enemy is their friend. And their traditional enemy has been Western Christianity (left-wing Christians like Sharpton and, in Canada, the United Church notwithstanding), and in particular the Evangelical denominations. Remember how the church to which Stephen Harper belonged was the subject of scaremongering claims? You know, the whole Harper's support of Israel was because he wanted to accelerate the Rapture kind of nonsense. Imagine these same people's response to someone on the right making equivalent claims about Naheed Nenshi.

Maher, an atheist, is very evenhanded in his condemnation of religions. Dawkins is almost so. Both stand in contrast to the Michael Moores of the world, who are reluctant to criticize any group or organization dominated by "people of colour" or by those who share common enemies with him (e.g. Western capitalism and consumerism).


You are confusing people Speaking as an affront of other peoples Rights. The Western "Left" being primarily focused on Christians is solely because Christianity is the dominant religion in the West. Christians and Muslims have the same Rights, regardless which is Criticized more. Criticism is not a violation of Rights.

   



PluggyRug @ Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:34 pm

sandorski sandorski:
Criticism is not a violation of Rights.


There are many Muslims out there who violently disagree with that comment.

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:12 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:
sandorski sandorski:
Criticism is not a violation of Rights.


There are many Muslims out there who violently disagree with that comment.


Oh, yeah.

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Delwin @ Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:28 pm

Asking a Conservative not to slander is like asking a deaf guy not to talk with his hands.

   



PluggyRug @ Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:32 pm

Delwin Delwin:
Asking a Conservative not to slander is like asking a deaf guy not to talk with his hands.


It's rather difficult to slander Yomamma, unless you call the truth slander. I have a good dictionary for sale along with London's Tower Bridge.

   



sandorski @ Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:48 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:
sandorski sandorski:
Criticism is not a violation of Rights.


There are many Muslims out there who violently disagree with that comment.


Perhaps, but here in Canada those Rights exist for both groups.

   



Individualist @ Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:53 pm

Funny how so many folks on the left have been tossing out the "You're more likely to get hit by lightning than X, so stop worrying so much" trope lately as an argument against fearing (or even being outraged by) terrorism. I don't imagine those folks would be amused by someone pointing out that the exact same logic could be applied to worrying about being killed by:

- Gay-bashers
- Anti-abortionists (even if you're an abortion doctor)
- Men who feel that feminists were to blame for their not becoming engineers
- "Involuntary celibates" frustrated by their lack of success with women
- Members of gun clubs and competitive shooters
- Rural hunters, or
- Food additives

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:02 pm

Delwin Delwin:
Asking a Conservative not to slander is like asking a deaf guy not to talk with his hands.


I'd first have to give a fuck about your precious little feelings and I don't.

   



BeaverFever @ Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:08 pm

Individualist Individualist:
Funny how so many folks on the left have been tossing out the "You're more likely to get hit by lightning than X, so stop worrying so much" trope lately as an argument against fearing (or even being outraged by) terrorism. I don't imagine those folks would be amused by someone pointing out that the exact same logic could be applied to worrying about being killed by:

- Gay-bashers
- Anti-abortionists (even if you're an abortion doctor)
- Men who feel that feminists were to blame for their not becoming engineers
- "Involuntary celibates" frustrated by their lack of success with women
- Members of gun clubs and competitive shooters
- Rural hunters, or
- Food additives


Because all except maybe one of those are MORE likely to happen than getting struck by lightning.

   



2Cdo @ Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:28 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Delwin Delwin:
Asking a Conservative not to slander is like asking a deaf guy not to talk with his hands.


I'd first have to give a fuck about your precious little feelings and I don't.

He's going to ask Trevor for a "safe zone" where we can't say anything to offend him.

   



Jin-Gitaxias @ Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:36 pm

Individualist Individualist:
A belief that coercion is always justified if in service of a "just" goal.

That's one of the reasons progressives are so drawn to the idea of global warming. It's a perfect excuse for them to tell other people how to live their lives, and use the power of the state to transform their "suggestions" into commands.

How can we fight terrorists without coercion?
There are terrorists all around the world and they certainly aren't going to surrender without a fight.

I'm not a mind reader but this post comes across as libertarian ... and libertarian thinking is greatly flawed.

You need a certain amount of coercion in order to keep a community together and to defend the community from its opponents. No man is an island.

   



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