The Sickness Of Anti-Canadian Canadians (Conservatives)
Streaker @ Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:46 am
No, Bart, anti-Canadian would be you.
romanP @ Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:07 pm
As much as I agree with the premise of this article, the Liberals can equally be accused of anti-Canadian practises as Conservatives can. For instance, how was skirting around environmental policies for 12 years by bowing to corporate pressure in any way a positive measure for Canada's future?
But it should be pointed out that it was not Canadian liberals who, on the eve of the Iraq war, were hanging up upside down Canadian flags alongside their right-way-up American flags. It was the typical scared old people who get their information about the world from right-wing talk radio and macho boneheads who are pro-war at any cost for any reason whatsoever as long as America is behind it.
And Streaker, your opponents are right. Your responses in this thread are rather trite and simple. If you had an well thought out argument to go along with the articles you're posting, you might have a bit more credibility.
Streaker @ Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:54 pm
romanP romanP:
And Streaker, your opponents are right. Your responses in this thread are rather trite and simple. If you had an well thought out argument to go along with the articles you're posting, you might have a bit more credibility.
lol Well there must be a reason I've never been nominated for a master debator medal.
Seems to me that the article posted at the beginning of the thread argues its point quite well, and so far hasn't been met with a convincing rebuttal.
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Pro-American or Anti-Canadian? Harper's National Self-Hatred
YOUR_DEAD @ Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:06 pm
romanP romanP:
As much as I agree with the premise of this article, the Liberals can equally be accused of anti-Canadian practises as Conservatives can. For instance, how was skirting around environmental policies for 12 years by bowing to corporate pressure in any way a positive measure for Canada's future?
But it should be pointed out that it was not Canadian liberals who, on the eve of the Iraq war, were hanging up upside down Canadian flags alongside their right-way-up American flags. It was the typical scared old people who get their information about the world from right-wing talk radio and macho boneheads who are pro-war at any cost for any reason whatsoever as long as America is behind it.
And Streaker, your opponents are right. Your responses in this thread are rather trite and simple. If you had an well thought out argument to go along with the articles you're posting, you might have a bit more credibility.
But it should be pointed out that it was not Canadian liberals who, on the eve of the Iraq war, were hanging up upside down Canadian flags alongside their right-way-up American flags. It was the typical scared old people who get their information about the world from right-wing talk radio and macho boneheads who are pro-war at any cost for any reason whatsoever as long as America is behind it.
And Streaker, your opponents are right. Your responses in this thread are rather trite and simple. If you had an well thought out argument to go along with the articles you're posting, you might have a bit more credibility.
I love your posts.
Toro @ Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:44 pm
What a sad article.
$1:
What is obscured by this frenzy of condemnation of anti-Americanism is that there is a very vocal minority in this country who are so pro-American, so enamoured by the current U.S. administration, that they have essentially become anti-Canadians. Any criticism directed toward U.S. policy is seen as the highest betrayal of their usually right-wing, pro-U.S. ideals.
Essentially, a political litmus test is what defines one as Canadian to this part of the political spectrum.
I suppose this leftist thinks Canada is 40 years old and that Canada didn't really become Canada until the medicare act was passed.
djakeydd @ Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:28 pm
Streaker Streaker:
$1:
Anti-American? What about anti-Canadianism?
Dimitry Anastakis, MSU Visiting Fulbright Scholar
Toronto Star, Op/Ed piece, March 27, 2003
The recent criticism by some in the Canadian government of the U.S. administration and its policy toward Iraq has sent the usual suspects scurrying to denounce "rampant anti-Americanism" in Canada.
What is obscured by this frenzy of condemnation of anti-Americanism is that there is a very vocal minority in this country who are so pro-American, so enamoured by the current U.S. administration, that they have essentially become anti-Canadians. Any criticism directed toward U.S. policy is seen as the highest betrayal of their usually right-wing, pro-U.S. ideals.
In fact, criticism of Canada has been so consistent and pointed by certain elements in this country that what might be termed a loose anti-Canadian party has emerged. The anti-Canadian party has its own newspapers, its own spokespeople, even its own party in the House of Commons.
The anti-Canadians simply don't like Canada because it is so unlike the U.S. in so many ways and lament the fact that we are not in lockstep with the U.S. on all aspects of our foreign and domestic policies.
Any Canadian policy that deviates even slightly from the American model comes under attack. Universal health care? Privatize it. Gun control? Trash it. Kyoto? We can't implement it if the U.S. hasn't.
When it comes to the war on terrorism, Canadians may be on the front lines in Afghanistan, but the anti-Canadians are ashamed and mortified by Canada's unwillingness to join George Bush's invasion of Iraq. In the U.S. during times of crisis, politicians of all stripes rally around the president. In Canada, the anti-Canadians rally around the president, too.
Alliance Leader Stephen Harper describes Jean Chrétien's stance as "gutless, embarrassing and cowardly," while Alberta Premier Ralph Klein writes to the U.S. ambassador to Canada, saying that "the president and your nation have exemplified leadership. This leadership has earned the deepest respect of many, many Albertans."
The anti-Canadians are always looking for the worst, celebrating Canada's failures, whether real or perceived. The National Post, the most virulent right-wing newspaper in Canadian history, is rife with anti-Canadianism. The paper's editorial policy has been described as "Canada sucks," never missing a chance to point out its "inadequacies."
They see the "brain drain" not as a worldwide phenomenon (ask India about the impact of losing their best people to America), but solely as evidence of Canada's undesirability versus the U.S.
Try as it might, the Post's search for a Canadian link to the 9/11 terrorist attacks did not yield any results.
Harper and his party are another bastion of anti-Canadianism.
Their toadyism toward America is only barely outmatched by their disdain for Canada.
Remember, Harper is a "national" leader who once said that "Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status ..."
A recent Ipsos-Reid poll shows that Alliance supporters are five times more likely to agree that Canada "should become more like the United States" than the average Canadian.
There is nothing wrong with admiring another nation and its achievements. There are many great and wonderful things about America that all Canadians should appreciate and celebrate.
But in their rush to defend another country, a few Canadians have sadly become the very thing they condemn — shrill and unfair critics of a great nation.
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Dimitry Anastakis, Ph.D., is a Canada-U.S. Fulbright Visiting Scholar at Michigan State University.
Dimitry Anastakis, MSU Visiting Fulbright Scholar
Toronto Star, Op/Ed piece, March 27, 2003
The recent criticism by some in the Canadian government of the U.S. administration and its policy toward Iraq has sent the usual suspects scurrying to denounce "rampant anti-Americanism" in Canada.
What is obscured by this frenzy of condemnation of anti-Americanism is that there is a very vocal minority in this country who are so pro-American, so enamoured by the current U.S. administration, that they have essentially become anti-Canadians. Any criticism directed toward U.S. policy is seen as the highest betrayal of their usually right-wing, pro-U.S. ideals.
In fact, criticism of Canada has been so consistent and pointed by certain elements in this country that what might be termed a loose anti-Canadian party has emerged. The anti-Canadian party has its own newspapers, its own spokespeople, even its own party in the House of Commons.
The anti-Canadians simply don't like Canada because it is so unlike the U.S. in so many ways and lament the fact that we are not in lockstep with the U.S. on all aspects of our foreign and domestic policies.
Any Canadian policy that deviates even slightly from the American model comes under attack. Universal health care? Privatize it. Gun control? Trash it. Kyoto? We can't implement it if the U.S. hasn't.
When it comes to the war on terrorism, Canadians may be on the front lines in Afghanistan, but the anti-Canadians are ashamed and mortified by Canada's unwillingness to join George Bush's invasion of Iraq. In the U.S. during times of crisis, politicians of all stripes rally around the president. In Canada, the anti-Canadians rally around the president, too.
Alliance Leader Stephen Harper describes Jean Chrétien's stance as "gutless, embarrassing and cowardly," while Alberta Premier Ralph Klein writes to the U.S. ambassador to Canada, saying that "the president and your nation have exemplified leadership. This leadership has earned the deepest respect of many, many Albertans."
The anti-Canadians are always looking for the worst, celebrating Canada's failures, whether real or perceived. The National Post, the most virulent right-wing newspaper in Canadian history, is rife with anti-Canadianism. The paper's editorial policy has been described as "Canada sucks," never missing a chance to point out its "inadequacies."
They see the "brain drain" not as a worldwide phenomenon (ask India about the impact of losing their best people to America), but solely as evidence of Canada's undesirability versus the U.S.
Try as it might, the Post's search for a Canadian link to the 9/11 terrorist attacks did not yield any results.
Harper and his party are another bastion of anti-Canadianism.
Their toadyism toward America is only barely outmatched by their disdain for Canada.
Remember, Harper is a "national" leader who once said that "Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status ..."
A recent Ipsos-Reid poll shows that Alliance supporters are five times more likely to agree that Canada "should become more like the United States" than the average Canadian.
There is nothing wrong with admiring another nation and its achievements. There are many great and wonderful things about America that all Canadians should appreciate and celebrate.
But in their rush to defend another country, a few Canadians have sadly become the very thing they condemn — shrill and unfair critics of a great nation.
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Dimitry Anastakis, Ph.D., is a Canada-U.S. Fulbright Visiting Scholar at Michigan State University.
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Why are seemingly so many Conservatives colonised to the point of being Anti-Canadian?
This article is as true today as the day it was written.
uwish @ Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:34 pm
Streaker Streaker:
So.... incapable of an intelligent response?
I know it's asking a lot of a Conservative.
I know it's asking a lot of a Conservative.
give me an intelligent answer about the HRDC billion dollar boondoggle? Give me an intelligent answer about sponsorship scandal? Give me an intelligent answer about the another 1+ billion dollar gun registry boondoggle? Give me an intelligent answer about Shawinigate? Give me an intelligent answer about ...
the list keeps going, want more?
Knoss @ Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:32 am
Thats not entirly accurate for instance, it is the NDP not the Conservatives who want Canada to be more like the US with regard to corperate regulations.
sthompson @ Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:52 pm
The NDP is the only party seriously fighting the SPP, the Security and Prosperity Partnership, which is all about making Canadian and US regulations the same. It's the Conservatives and Liberals who have been signing that piece of crap and pushing forward with it.
Liberals aren't liberal, they're as conservative as the cons, but they run left and govern right because that's how they get elected when they do.
The policies and character that have defined Canada over the years have been progressive and "liberal" values (public heathcare and Tommy Douglas come to mind, as does peacekeeping). But we don't have governance like that today.
Our conservatives didn't used to be anything like today's neocons, but were actually Red Tories, which had a lot more in common with socialists than anyone we call a Tory today, because we have a different culture and history than the US and until recently, a different kind of consveratism--you know, the kind that actually CONSERVED things, like Canadian sovereignty.
Calling someone anti-American these days is the equivalent of calling someone a communist back in the McCarthy era. It's a smear, and has nothing to do with intelligent thought or argument. And it is most often used against those arguing for being pro-Canadian.
ridenrain @ Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:01 pm
I'm thinking that after a decade of scandels government excesses, voter cynicism is at it's peak and voter turnout is at it's lowest. When allparties are viewed the same, what's the reason for voting.
That's a very unhealthy thing for a democracy.
RUEZ @ Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:06 pm
Streaker when I first came here you seemed like a great guy, how quickly you've changed.
Joe_Stalin @ Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:04 pm
My idea of a anti Canadian Canadian is an Islamofascist who came to Canada to spread Sharia and bomb train stations. According to the local Saddamites here a pre-requisite of not being a anti Canadian Canadian is to be a anti American Canadian first and foremost. Google anti Americanism taught in schools and get 230,000 hits.
Anti-Americanism Spoonfed to Canadian Grade School Kids (It's official policy!)
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Canada’s Anti-Americanism.
Just 2 links off the front page.
Could a anti Canadian Canadian be pro European or is that impossible as pro American Canadians are inherently anti Canadian Canadians?
We need a reference point on what is a Canadian.
I'll take Billy Bishop, you leftoids can have Omar Khadr.
romanP @ Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:42 am
If Google says it, it must be true!
Johnny_Utah @ Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:24 pm
Streaker Streaker:
Incapable of an intelligent response?
Posting an article 5 years old? Your a Fucking Idiot!